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PaulK
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Message 42 of 321 (114485)
06-11-2004 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by John Paul
06-11-2004 2:04 PM


Re: on the dishonesty of John Paul
You explicitly denied that trees were created by natural processes.
Trees are formed through growth (from seeds)
Ergo your statement denied that trees grow through natural processes.
I suggest that you apologise for falsely accusing Mr H of being dishonest.
For now I will give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that your failure to refernce the relevant posts by link or number was an unfortunate oversight, as was your failure to quote the relevant part of your post.

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PaulK
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Message 46 of 321 (114495)
06-11-2004 3:26 PM
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06-11-2004 3:15 PM


Re: More dishonesty from John Paul
YOur argument rests on confusing the ultimate origins of trees as a class with the origins of individual trees.
Individual trees are formed by growth. Since we are discussing the origins of individual trees this is the process to consider.
The question at hand is do you consider that process to be natural or not ?

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Message 49 of 321 (114502)
06-11-2004 3:49 PM
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06-11-2004 3:35 PM


Tje statements under discussion are
From Mr Hambre (post 24)
Intelligent agency has never created a tree, a baby, or a bacterium.
From your reply (post 25)
And neither has nature.
Thus we are dealing with the origins of individual trees since you asserted that none of them were created by nature.
Do you consider the growth of a tree from seed to be a natural process or not ?

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Message 88 of 321 (115413)
06-15-2004 3:16 PM
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06-11-2004 3:49 PM


In case John Paul comes back to the argument in a few months it is useful to remember that he was using much the same argument with regard to humans - and there he explicitly meant individual human babies - not just the first humans.
In this thread (Intelligent Design Creationism)
http://EvC Forum: Intelligent Design Creationism -->EvC Forum: Intelligent Design Creationism
Sample quotes: From post 46:
CF:
Wait... what? JP, do you need to be told where babies come from?
John Paul:
Well I know nature had nothing to do with mine.
Post 55:
Also the ONLY way nature had anything to do with babies is if (and only if) life arose from non-life via purely natural processes

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