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06-09-2004 5:59 PM

I Can't get this Logic "Because it is Complex it must have Designed"
They're essentially saying, "I don't know, so a god Must Have Done It." It to me is almost like saying "I don't know how Pictures and sound get on the television - so a god must have done it."

The main Idea of this logic is that the universe is so complex it must have been designed, but wouldn’t the designer of the universe be inherently more complex than the universe itself? If this is true , who designed the designer, and so on?

why do these people not see this problem? They can think deep enough to conclude it must be designed... but they can't think any deeper then that? I would like some Comments from Creationists. I would like to understand what you think in regards to this.

why does Complex = Design ?

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Message 3 of 321 (113998)
06-09-2004 8:36 PM

I added to it... is that ok?

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06-09-2004 9:05 PM

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Re: question and topic

the main point was complexity... I picked the title as an eye catcher... I figured it was related... Can you rename?

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Message 54 of 321 (114615)
06-12-2004 1:59 AM

Reply to: Message 47 by John Paul
06-11-2004 3:30 PM

Re: on the dishonesty of an evolutionist

WRONG! Trees create trees, bacteria create bacteria and babies come from LIVING organisms.

WRONG! we can clearly see from the fossil record this is not true.... You really need to do some studying... Evolution has been observed... what you can't seem to get through your thick heads is that there is no difference between Micro and Macro Evolution.
Its very simple really... A lot of Micro = Macro (ummm duh?). We have observed what you call "microevolution" and there is no reason to Believe the Organism cannot keep Evolving into completely different things.... unless of course you can prove there is a magic line that stops them from evolving too much... But this is really of topic.

Nature has never been observed to create any information rich systems (i.e. such as life) or specified complexity.

Read above... we have observed in small amounts things getting more complex. There is no reason to believe this can't continue.

Nature does not design cars, computers or vending machines.

ummmm that’s because these things do not have DNA (which at one point wasn't so complex)

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Message 55 of 321 (114616)
06-12-2004 2:04 AM

Reply to: Message 51 by DarkStar
06-12-2004 1:27 AM

Re: Some Peoples Kids!

Observation alone is sufficient enough to show us that complex = design,

What Observation? Man made objects hardly count. We have also Observed Organisms slowly get more complex... what exactly is your Evidence for this?

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Message 66 of 321 (114762)
06-13-2004 12:56 AM

Reply to: Message 62 by DarkStar
06-12-2004 10:11 PM

Re: Some Peoples Kids!

the thing you don't seem to realize is life hasn't always been this complex... so you cannot look at life now and Infer design as it has evolved to become that complex (see my last post in here)

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