Partial Birth Abortion

I've been under the impression that partial birth is unnecessary if we are talking about "passive" killing when we talk about abortion, because the fetus in the third trimester is able to survive on its own if given enough care by doctors. Therefore, since I believe that the woman has the right to end the pregnancy but not necessarily has the right to actively kill the fetus (and I am assuming that the fetus is a person), I see partial birth abortion as unnecessary if the woman only simply want to end the pregnancy.However, my mind is not fully made up yet and I doubt that it will ever be. Please say if you think partial birth abortion should be legal or not and why you think that way.

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The Laminator

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This is a response to all of you. Please answer the question I stated and explain. If it is as complicated as jar and the frog mentioned, then give examples. Also, stop talking about abortion in general. The topic is about partial birth abortion.I'll make myself clearer. I am currently oppose to PBA except in cases where the mother's life is in danger. Partial birth abortion involves the physician actively killing the fetus (sucking out the brain) right before the actually birth. Therefore, I really don't see why the the fetus can't be delivered normally or even prematurely (if the woman really wants to end her pregnancy like 5 days before the due date). What I am trying to say is if the fetus can survive on its own and it is possible for the physicians to get it out without endangering the mother's life, I can think of no reason why the the child shouldn't be allowed to have a chance.By the way people, there is a difference between ending the pregnancy and actively killing the fetus. Ending the pregnancy just means that the woman can do whatever necessary to stop being pregnant. However, with some late term abortions, say in the 8th month or so, there are other ways to end the pregnancy AND give the fetus a chance at life. I see no reason why this shouldn't be allowed.Again, from what I know about it, it's the difference between passive and active killing of the fetus.Who wants to shoot me out of the water?

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The Laminator

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1- Would you say that info here are accurate? I honestly don't know enough about the issue. No, I'm not trying to trap you or anything. That was a quick 30 seconds yahoo search.2- When you said that it is usually done when the fetus is dead, did you mean that the fetus is intentionally killed first before extraction or did you mean that the fetus already died of natural causes?3- It is awefully hard to find a unbiased website for info on this. I'm making a trip to the local library tomorrow.

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The Laminator

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That's just the problem. There's no way to know the accurate number. The anti-abortionists claim that the number is around 2,000 a year and the pro-choice people are claiming that the number is around 400. Currently, people are not required to report it. We really don't know the number.

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The Laminator

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Can you people please stop talking about abortion in general? For the record, I am a pro-choicer, ok?This thread is about late term abortion, better known as partial birth.

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The Laminator

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Jar, you are wandering from the discussion. Every philosophy student should know what you just stated. This may come as a surprise to you, but it is obvious to everybody that everytime you outlaw something, you only create a black market for it.Now, let us move away from the obvious and talk about things I don't know, ok?By the way, based on your logic, we shouldn't outlaw bank robbing, murder, etc.... Afterall, honorable people wouldn't commit such acts and people that want to do it would find a way to do it.

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The Laminator

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You've misunderstood me. The point of the thread is for you people to tear me to shred by responding to Message 1 and Message 20. We all know what the legal side of it is going to be like. I've been trying to get you to talk about the moral side of it.

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The Laminator

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Then give an example to why a fetus's brain should be sucked out right before completion of extraction rather than allowing it to be removed from the mother and be given proper medical attention? Again, I am talking about the difference between simply ending the pregnancy and actually actively causing the fetus to die directly even though the fetus is viable if given enough care.

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The Laminator

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Come on people! For once, I want the frog and other pro-choice liberals to tear me apart like I'm a chicken. If it helps, here is what I have to say about you people. You all are going straight to hell.

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The Laminator

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