Partial Birth Abortion

Without knowning ALL of the information about mother, child and overall conditions it is impossible to make any founded decisions.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Leave it up to those involved in every individual incident. Trust the parents and physicians to make the best possible choices when there are no easy answers.I do not have the answers.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't think you have really understood what people have been saying.IMHO, what I and the others are saying is that it is impossible to make a decision without all of the information. It is something that needs to be decided on a case by case, incident by incident basis. It is not something that is subject to a simple blanket ruling.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

One thing you should look into is to try to determine the actual number of incidents annually. I think you will find that it is really low to start off with. In addition, once you pass a law that says "Illegal except when the health and safety of the mother is threatened", then you get right back into the case by case determination that exists today.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Exactly.As is so often the case, there are no numbers to work from. It is likely though that other nations keep better records.But remember, the only reason that we have any records at all is that abortion was found to be legal.In the long run, we will have to resolve this by placing trust in the people involved. All other actions are doomed to failure.Even if the higher of the two numbers is correct, unless the specifics of each case are known, we cannot say anything. If they were done to protect the mother, then they were necessary. If they were done without consideration of the actual needs involved, then the participants were behaving in an unethical manner. Those who behave in an unethical manner do so regardless of laws passed. A law preventing such procedures will do nothing. Unethical people will simply disregard the law or falsify the documentation to justify their actions.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Same story Lam.It is against the law to rob banks. Banks get robbed.Assume for a second that a law is passed saying that PBA is illegal except when the health of the mother is at stake.Honorable people will abide by the law. But then they do that already.Those who are not honorable will either fake the documentation to show that the mother was in danger, or go to a doctor (hopefully) who will perform the abortion off the record entirely.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

While every philosopy student should know such things, I'm not at all that is the case.No, we outlaw things to provide a framework for sanctioning after the fact.The difference is in the realm of provability. While it is relatively easy to prove that a bank robbery happened, how do you prove that in the honest opinion of the doctor and woman, a given procedure was not necessary?LAM, you may well disagree with me. I understand that. The thread though asks for opinions. I have done so. I have also, to the best of my limited abilities, given my reasoning. If you fiind fault with some points of my logic, please continue to ask me to clarify. I'm old and slow and often do not make myself understood. I will try to do better.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

But we don't want to tear you to shreds. And I, at least, have said that I cannot make a moral case except on an individual, incident by incident basis. And in those cases, I believe that we must leave the decision to those involved in that case.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I can't do it. I don't have the needed knowledge. That's why I say it must be left to the mother , the father and the doctors.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Probably because I had my God Sense removed. you know the old Mississippi John Hurt song "CHICKEN"?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion