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MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 6 of 39 (116283)
06-18-2004 2:40 AM


The one and only time the so-called partial birth abortion is ever used is to save the life of the mother. Abortions should be between the woman, her doctor, and her god/dess. My current lover has had an abortion and considers it one of the great life affirming experiences in her life.

Our loyalties are to the species and the planet. We speak for Earth. Our obligation to survive is owed not just to ourselves but also to that Cosmos, ancient and vast, from which we spring.
--Carl Sagan, 1934-1996

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MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 10 of 39 (116294)
06-18-2004 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by custard
06-18-2004 2:52 AM


Such late term 'Partial birth abortions' are only ever performed to save the life of the mother. The actual life of the mother is more important than the potenial life of the child.
The most sickening spectacle in the news of late was the canonization of the woman who chose to die in child birth rather than have an abortion. Then again that is natural selection in action I suppose--nature elimanated a woman with no sense of self-preservation thus removing her from the gene pool.
And yes I truly believe that as the one carrying the child, the one whose life will primarily be affected, and whose body will forever be altered by carrying the child to term, abortion is the women's perogative. Especially if it is a choice between her life and the life of the parasite living inside her. And even if her life isn't in jeopardy I would still be comfortable with a woman having an abortion that late term because obviously a woman who would have such a late term abortion barring obvious jeopardy to life and limb is an unfit person to raise a child.
If you don't want your girlfriend to get pregnant and have an abortion then don't have sex with her...it's that simple.
And if you are a woman opposed to abortion then don't have one.

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MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 11 of 39 (116296)
06-18-2004 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
06-18-2004 3:21 AM


My girlfriend had her abortion the day after she found out she was pregnant. She decided a long time ago she will never have children.

Our loyalties are to the species and the planet. We speak for Earth. Our obligation to survive is owed not just to ourselves but also to that Cosmos, ancient and vast, from which we spring.
--Carl Sagan, 1934-1996

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MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 12 of 39 (116297)
06-18-2004 3:30 AM


Also consider that fewer women would get abortions if modern medical practioneers made tubal ligations more readily. Every time my gf has brought up the subject with doctors/medical professionals she always gets lectured about someday "changing her mind". My gf is a woman who has thoroughly considered all the possibilities and decided she never ever wants to be a mommy.

Our loyalties are to the species and the planet. We speak for Earth. Our obligation to survive is owed not just to ourselves but also to that Cosmos, ancient and vast, from which we spring.
--Carl Sagan, 1934-1996

  
MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 16 of 39 (116328)
06-18-2004 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by custard
06-18-2004 4:51 AM


Custard you are mistaken, the message of the Catholic Church has been to have as much sex as you want with your wife without condoms or other form of artificial birth control.
Custard, the mother is the only one truly affected by the pregnancy. It is the mother who will be primarily concerned with the child's care, it is the mother whose body is permanently transformed by the experience, and it is the mother who is seen at the very least as negligent if she wants to return to work after the child is born. And I did offer a viable solution to abortions--tubal ligation but women in our society who request tubal ligations are usually frowned upon. A nurse actually told my gf to tell her husband at the time to get a vastectomy because she might change her mind about children.
Also forced sterilization smacks of Eugenics and Nazism to me. And I'm the one who isn't being very sympathetic here.

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MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 21 of 39 (116833)
06-20-2004 5:13 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by custard
06-18-2004 6:25 AM


Custard, there are more affects on the human body than just stretch marks. The way women are forced to give birth in the United States (flat on back, feet in stirrups)besides being the most humiliating position one can be in is also the most dangerous to her health, after the 7th month a woman shouldn't be on her back because the weight of the fetus smooshes her innards pretty good. Forcing her to lie on her back is also the most difficult way to give birth and increases her chance of dying--the US has the highest rate of deaths during births of the entire industrialized world. The safest, least difficult way for a woman to give birth is squatting--but this is more difficult for the doctor. Giving birth also weakens her ability to control the bladder and in some cases the utreus can also fall out of her body and require a device to hold it in place.
Any one opposed to abortion should try this experiment: set aside nine days in your schedule (one day for each month); purchase or build a weighted pregnancy tummy and wear it; gain weight every day; set your alarm to wake you up every morning at say 5 or 6 and kneel in front of the toilet for 15 minutes; every day eat at odd hours of the day the weirdest food you can find; eat when you aren't even hungry; have an outburst of every emotion you can think of every five minutes; waddle around town; ride the bus; be helpless; and on the ninth day spalsh your lower body with bodily fluids; lay back and pass a bowling ball out of the smallest opening on your body.
Ninety percent of all people opposed to abortion are men, one hundred percent of all people who could become pregnant are women. The ones who gripe the most about abortion are men who will never experience the "miracle' of child birth. All the man has to do is pump the woman full of his seed and his work is done. It is the woman whose life is forever altered by the experience.

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MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 22 of 39 (116836)
06-20-2004 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by coffee_addict
06-19-2004 4:55 AM


Laminator and PBA
First off there is no such thing as a Partial Birth Abortion--the term is evacuation and extraction. And second their are only three times when it is used--to save the life of the mother, the fetus has died, and more common forms of abortion are not viable because it is a late term abortion. Late term abortions are only performed to save the life of the mother or when the fetus is already dead.

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