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crashfrog
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Message 165 of 179 (120138)
06-29-2004 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Robert Byers
06-29-2004 4:49 PM


No one took on my equation; my arguement and so I claim victory.
No, I did. I showed how it would necessitate the closure of all schools. Moreover the "Christian doctrine of origins", if there is such a thing, is not contradicted by the theory of evolution.
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crashfrog
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Message 171 of 179 (122309)
07-06-2004 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Robert Byers
07-05-2004 3:15 PM


So I demonstrated conclusively that to teach evolution, which is based on the rejection of the Christian doctrine of origins
It's not, though. It's based on evidence.
We understand your "equation" all too well - taken to it's logical conclusion, there can be no public schools at all.
Moreover, human origins is not an appropriate subject for religious discourse. It's the purview of science. Just because a religion takes a position on it does not make it a religious subject. In this case, it's religion infringing on the purview of science.
There can be no legitimate conflict between the state, science, and religion when religion has overstepped it's bounds.
Again no one took me on in this point. This is because you can't.
Actually, we all did, including myself twice, and your point was refuted. You haven't addressed those rebuttals; you've simply repeated your argument. Repetition doesn't make you more right.
(edited to fix embarrasing spelling error quoted by NN. )
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crashfrog
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Message 175 of 179 (135150)
08-19-2004 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by DarkStar
08-18-2004 9:38 PM


Re: The Cancer is Spreading
Today's question is: What is the difference between an anti-evolutionist and a pro-creationist?
What's the difference between Dark Star and one whose objections to evolution are based on absolutely nothing scientific?
Oh, right. Absolutely nothing.

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crashfrog
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Message 179 of 179 (135876)
08-21-2004 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by DarkStar
08-20-2004 9:17 PM


Would that all the actual scientists who can confirm how truly wrong you are could engage you in an actual debate.
I doubt that I have the expertise (in bullshitting) to engage any "professional" entanglement with the rabid anti-Darwin crowd.
I'm thinking, though, about becoming a high school biology teacher. It's a deplorable state of science education today when it turns out graduates like you.
However, I am convinced that you would simply dismiss all scientists who do not believe in this myth of macroevolution that you hold so near and dear to your heart, regardless of how many degrees, doctorates, etc. those scientists may hold.
Since macroevolution is supported by a weight of evidence, what possible relevance would degrees and doctorates have?
If there was even one, just one solid piece of scientific evidence confirming that macroevolution is not a myth, which it most surely is, there would not be any controversy, no ongoing debate.
There is no debate. "Debate" is when both sides present evidence that supports their arguments.
What we have going on here is biologists presenting evidence, and ideologues like you presenting pseudo-intellectual claptrap. There's no debate among scientific circles that evolution occured and that the modern theory of evolution - including what you term "macroevolution" - represents the most accurate model of the history of life on Earth.
No matter how hard neo-evo's try, they simply are unable to convince anyone who is willing to excercise true common sense, logic, and reason, that macroevolution has ever occurred, is occurring now, or will occur in the future.
Really? I've got a list of 400 people of relevant scientific background who are convinced - and that's just the people named "Steve."
This is one of the reasons we have thousands of condemnatory quotes from evolution scientists about macroevolution.
Funny that that doesn't seem to stop them from working in macroevolutionary fields, advancing macroevolutionary conjectures, testing macroevolutionary hypotheses, and publishing macroevolutionary papers.
Is it coherent to you that these men and women devote their lives to a fraud?
They apparently hold to their professional opinions, posting them in various writings, while condemning the very concept of Darwinian macroevolution outside of those same papers, journals, etc., a fact that is made quite evident by the thousands of quotes which, so far, no neo-evo has been able to prove were taken out of context to mean something other than what the scientists actually said, and meant.
I'm sorry, which quotes were those? So far you've presented one, and it didn't say what you said it said. Keep trying, though. I've got plenty of time on my hands; we'll do every one of your "thousands" of quotes one by one.

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