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Author Topic:   Prophecy Revisited: Israel's Destiny?
jar
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Message 4 of 26 (135846)
08-20-2004 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PecosGeorge
08-20-2004 10:41 PM


Psalm 44:
If you take the whole psalm in consideration, it is not a prophesy at all. It is recounting an event. The people (it’s not clear if that is a family, tribe, city, state or the whole nation) that is suffering through no specified fault. It ends by simply asking GOD to awake and help.
Text of Psalm 44
Leviticus 26 is not much of a prophesy either but rather a warning. For example in verses 23 & 24 it clearly says, if you do A I will do B.
23: And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
24: Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
link to text of Leviticus 26
Deuteronomy 4 is not a prophesy either, but another warning. It is both a threat and a promise and if you read the whole thing, actually says that GOD will never abandon his people.
24: For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
25: When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:
26: I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27: And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
28: And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29: But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30: When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31: (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
Link to the Deuteronomy Chapter
Deuteronomy 28 is more of the same. It is a warning that if the folk do not follow GOD they will suffer. It’s unusual though in that it is specific what the punishment will be, and that is they will be sent back to Egypt again. Remember, they had just left there and so it was an idiomatic threat framed in the context of the day.
68: And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
Link to Deuteronomy Chapter 28
If you want I’ll be happy to go over each of the others but they seem about the same. There simply is no continuing prophesy that the Jews must suffer.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 8 of 26 (135936)
08-21-2004 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by PecosGeorge
08-21-2004 8:55 AM


There is a danger in singling out verses without considering the whole chapter, book.
Absolutely. That is why, instead of quotemining, I included the context of the quote and a link to the whole chapter. And in each of the cases it turns out that there was not the prophesy that you asserted but rather a totally different picture.

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jar
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Message 11 of 26 (136024)
08-21-2004 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by PecosGeorge
08-21-2004 9:59 PM


But you didn't show a prophesy?
It doesn't REALLY mean what it says - is the story of the Bible.
Agreed.
When it says there was a fall, it doesn't mean that.
When it says there was a flood, it doesn't mean that.
When it says there was and Exodus, it doesn't mean that.
When it says the sun stood still, it doesn't mean that.
When it says Joshua conquered Jericho, it doesn't mean that.
Yeah, by George, I think I've got it.
Yup, I think you got it.

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jar
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Message 14 of 26 (136391)
08-23-2004 8:46 PM
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08-23-2004 6:10 PM


Sure. When it says Love GOD, and love your neighbors as yourself.

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jar
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Message 16 of 26 (136634)
08-24-2004 7:42 PM
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08-24-2004 4:04 PM


Matthew covers that as well. Se Matthew 25.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
There is certainly no need to show a love of GOD, afterall, that is between you and GOD. But as the passage shows, if you try to do what Jesus would have done, that is love enough.

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Message 25 of 26 (136853)
08-25-2004 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Andya Primanda
08-25-2004 4:11 AM


You Muslims will do just fine.
You worship the same GOD as the Jews and Christians, and Christianity is only the path for Christians. As it says in Matthew,
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Love GOD and Love your fellow man as yourself. That is all that's needed.
Notice in that passage that the people will be seperated, not on what they profess, but on whether they Loved GOD and loved others as the loved themselves.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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