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Author Topic:   Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?
Quetzal
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Message 8 of 56 (158818)
11-12-2004 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by DarkStar
11-12-2004 12:07 PM


Well, "legacy" may be somewhat overstating the case. He has certainly had an impact - both good and bad - on Israeli-Palestine issue and on the broader Middle East, as a symbol if nothing else. OTOH, without Arafat I believe there may be a much better chance of a peaceful settlement of the issue - assuming whatever leadership takes up the mantle is capable of fostering it. Arafat, at the bottom, was a consumate survivor who pandered to whomever he needed to in order to maintain his position: moderate when it suited, radical when it suited; tragic figure and martyr when that was needed; pseudo-elder-statesman when that served his purpose. It will be interesting to see what the Palestinians and Israelis do next.

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Quetzal
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Message 14 of 56 (161448)
11-19-2004 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by contracycle
11-19-2004 6:37 AM


edited to add: Damn, I put this response in the wrong thread. I am reposting in the "What is terrorism" thread where it should have gone. Sorry for the confusion.
This message has been edited by Quetzal, 11-19-2004 09:37 AM

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Quetzal
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Message 28 of 56 (163569)
11-27-2004 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by DarkStar
11-21-2004 12:01 AM


You have a legitimate point but I do not recall any accounts of the American Patriots attacking English civilians in an attempt to terrorize the civilian population of England or of having a desire to drive the English people into the sea, something Arabs have repeated as their goal over and over again. Violence and terrorism are not synonymous terms even though they may acheive similar results. I do not think of the men who fought in the revolutionary war as being terrorists even though many redcoats may have felt the terror of war.
Just as a point of correction (and I'm sorry to be so off-topic), if you consider the loyalists living in America as "British citizens" since that's the way they considered themselves, then I'm afraid that the term terrorist can be used for some Patriot actions, especially in the southern colonies. Of course, the same can be said of Col. Banastre Tarleton and his dragoon regiment, not to mention some of the loyalist militia actions (cf Hancock's Bridge). In addition, the actions of groups such as the Sons of Liberty, not to mention the Test Laws enacted by the Patriot Congress that included expropriation, loyalty oaths, etc. would certainly be considered "terrorist" by most modern definitions.

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