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CK
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Message 53 of 127 (163479)
11-27-2004 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Dynamo321
11-27-2004 10:33 AM


Re: ok. A piece of my mind
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If you desire my accounts to be proven, then I would suggest you speak to an ex-secret-opps trained solder or join the elite American Military. They have been training for years how to see over hills and difficult areas of a battle field using astral projection.
Standard "the govt is trying to do it" shadow stuff - proof of nothing.
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I don't have contact phone numbers of course for this, but if the scientists where that serious about "proving" this, they would try to find a way to un-restrict this information and track down some of these people. They do exist. Let them burn themselves up for your own selfish gain.
No proof here either - just vagueness about govt doing it.
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I have no desire to prove myself to you. I couldn’t care less if you promote what my past was or who I am. I know my past and I need not prove my past to anyone. If you have intelligent questions the feel free to ask.
Which begs the question - why bother replying? I'm not sure about intelligent questions, you have failed to provide anything resembling intelligent evidence.
Next you will be saying the standard line of "the energy is disrupted by the presense of skeptics"
I can't be bothered to quote the rest - it's the standard "feel don't think" and "Jam tomorrow".

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CK
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Message 55 of 127 (163483)
11-27-2004 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by mikehager
11-27-2004 11:33 AM


Re: ok. A piece of my mind
Mike - I'm really starting to think we need a sticky or something on the front page that says:
EVOLUTION - WHY IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINS OF LIFE (READ THIS).
and maybe:
WHY A CONCEPT CAN BE BOTH FACT AND THEORY.
This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 11-27-2004 11:40 AM

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CK
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Message 74 of 127 (163650)
11-28-2004 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Dynamo321
11-27-2004 1:41 PM


Re: ok. A piece of my mind
isn't that just a cut and paste of your previous post?

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CK
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Message 78 of 127 (163682)
11-28-2004 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Dynamo321
11-28-2004 12:45 PM


Re: ok. A piece of my mind
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Talk to any Cranial Sacral Therapist studied in the Upleager method. Some practitioners are more "powerful" than others if you want to call it that.
well forgetting the fact that in english it should be CraniO sacral - it's pure quack nonsense. Would surprise anyone that people who have had this "treatment" and have found that it doesn't work, have been told it's because "their faith wasn't strong enought"?
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In order for science to prove what is experienced, scientists must first be able to analyze the neurological synaptic and chemical transmissions at microscopic levels. They can not yet do this "live" while someone is doing energy work. So how can it then be proven to scientists? I don't know. Science must catch up first. This might also be tested by microscopic changes in vascularity. Science can see veins but can not yet get into the capillary beds. They are too small to my understanding. At least not in a live person. Maybe nano technology may be able to do this in the coming years. However blood flow is secondary to the parasthetic sensations found in the nerve fibers.
As for documenting things, I have found in general if science can not measure an event it will not be documented cause in there eyes there is nothing proven. I hope when nanotechnology evolves this can finally be seen... Until then science can't measure properly unfortunately.
What a lot of old jism. Let's take your powers to make people feel hot or cold - we can test those.
1) subjects sit in a room with a one-way mirror.
2) you are on the other side.
3) You make the subjects feel hot or cold.
4) the student record how they feel on regular intervals (they are unware of the purpose of the experiment or that fact that you are going to make them feel hot or cold).
I'm going to be use my own amazing abilities and predict the results of such an experiment.
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CK
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Message 81 of 127 (163695)
11-28-2004 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Dynamo321
11-28-2004 2:13 PM


Re: ok. A piece of my mind
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If you look up clinical tests of therapeutic touch in recovery rooms in britan you should find out some interesting results.
Well the last time I checked this stuff out, there was no decent evidence for it.
If you can point me towards a peer-reviewed study, I'd be glad to read it.

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CK
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Message 83 of 127 (163723)
11-28-2004 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Dynamo321
11-28-2004 5:32 PM


Re: ok. A piece of my mind
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Many people believe therapeutic touch is a form of prayer. I am at ends about the topic. Quite frankly I don't care any more, but you may feel free to ask this doctor for his references and ask him to back up his statements with copies of the studies mentioned in the following link. He is an MD and supposedly a good resource for information. He should be aware of the hospitals that employ this technique successfully and what their results are:
http://www.mercola.com/2000/jun/17/prayer.htm
I'm aware of that study, the methodology and results have been ripped to pieces since 2000 - I remember reading it the last time I looked at this area.
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When I was deep in this movement I was one of the few that could tell acute, intermediate and chronic injuries without any knowledge of clinical history or any other testing. Some I was training could do the same while others had no clue. I could also alleviate symptoms by working on them directly and indirectly. Others had the same success while some left the rooms just frustrated. I had my doctors astounded when I was personally doing pushups on my just healing comminuted spiral fracture of the humorous after only 4 weeks. I also had a secular friend leave one of our training sessions absolutely FREAKED that I could tell he injured his shoulder about a year past, and a hip injury when he was a kid. He was afraid of me ever since and rarely spoke to me after that day. Something as simple as that can really blow the mind of someone who does not believe or understand. He came to prove we all were quacks and fortunately / unfortunately found we weren’t. I knew of one ladies ovarian problems 7 years before doctors found out. The rest of her was in good health and I knew that as well. That however is just my personal experience.
Personal experience - no evidence there. The rest seems to say "Jam tomorrow".
Sorry Dynamo - I remain as unconvinced as I have ever been.

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