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Author Topic:   Purple dosn't beleve in relativity
contracycle
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Message 87 of 114 (167684)
12-13-2004 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by teratogenome
12-13-2004 4:32 AM


Re: What about 0 gravity at the bottom of the well?
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Just a few questions, let's say that all of the earth's mass was collected into 5 miles of crust so that on the surface, no change in vector or strength of gravity could be felt. If you dug down 5 miles and broke though, wouldn't you fall?
Yes, you would fall toward the point at the centre of the ring/sphere, and then oscillate around it.
But if you threw a ring onto a foam mattress and dropped a marble in the center, wouldn't it run towards the depression close to the ring?[/quote]
I would so yes and no, as Dormammu notes the anlogy can be pushed to far.
Yes the actual ring material is what is exerting gravity, and if you were very close to one side of the ring you would be attracted to that ring material gravitationally. But that attraction will be much smaller than the attraction exerted by the whole ring/sphere as if at its centre of mass. So you will still be attracted more toward the centre than toward the edge.
Where the analogy breaks down is that a ring exerts local pressure on a sheet that accords with the topology of a ring, while gravity always acts on the body as a whole and at a point of fulcrum at the centre of its mass/density distribution. The ring scenario should properly be imagined as making a dent in the rubber sheet that keeps sloping inward toward the centre of the ring, while having a lesser dent forming a shelf at the ring itself. At least, this is how I understand things.

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contracycle
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Message 93 of 114 (167993)
12-14-2004 5:53 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Raymon
12-14-2004 12:15 AM


Re: What about 0 gravity at the bottom of the well?
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This fact has a neat little corralary- If you had a hole that went from one place on the surface of the earth and followed a straight line to another hole on the surface of the earth, and you dropped a ball down the hole, it would have a period of occilation of 84 minutes- even if the hole was through the center of the earth.(I'm a physisist, so I'm considering a spherical earth of uniform density)
Actually I was kinda working from that - the sphere of the earth must exert gravity at the point of the wall you are passing, no? Nevertheless, you fall toward and through the centre of the sphere and oscillate around that.

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