center of the earth

No I asked you this question. I repeat what is the temperature and pressure of your proposed cool liquid water? What evidence do you have to support these figures? How do these conditions come about at the earth's core? Why does the current evidence not support your proposed model? Why do you keep dodging questions? is it because you don't have the simplest grasp of science?

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*not an actual doctor

Actually, doc, one could argue that you are currently using a logical fallacy. The thing is most creos, not including myself, aren't familiar enough with these fallacies to recognize them.

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People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3.

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Was that the diamond, or alignment with the bible?

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What does that book of lies have to do with anything? Havent you read the Good News of the Cowpatty? That we have all been redeemed by the multiple stomachs of the Cosmic Heifer?Show your light to the unbelievers, oh gloriour heifer.

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What does that book of lies have to do with anything? Havent you read the Good News of the Cowpatty? That we have all been redeemed by the multiple stomachs of the Cosmic Heifer?

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Show your light to the unbelievers, oh gloriour heifer.

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Why do you persist in this nonsense you mangy Dog? Clearly Mighty Ra is the reason that the centre of the earth is the earth is actually a second sun. Unlike some religions we Raists don't need science - it's all done by magic!You may scoff but if man tries to enter the earth then he will find...........continue this nonsense for another 300 posts... and so onThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 27 January 2005 05:16 AM

Right. But the evidence for their theory is evidence for their theory. My comment was that you listed supposed problems with mainstream science in response to a request for evidence for your theory, as if supposed problems with mainsteream science are evidence for your thoey. They aren't Unchallenged only becausee nobody has bothered because it's so ludicrous and we are waiting for you to post some evidence, and certainly not admitted as possible. You still haven't posted any evidence.

Still trying to shift the burden of proof. It's your claim, you have to show why it can be and, in detail what reasons you have for believing that it is. You have the burden of proof.DrJones* posted a link to a phase diagram of water and a brief description of the range of conditions under which water is liquid.. Any water down there is under pressure because of the weight of the Earth on top of it. What temperature and pressure do you think that supposed water is at?Forum rule 1: "Debate in good faith by addressing rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not merely keep repeating the same points without further elaboration."Forum rule 4: "Make your points by providing supporting evidence and/or argument. Avoid bare assertions."

He was being sarcastic.What's your answer to the question?

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So, in effect, as I understand it, that would be because old age is assumed?

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No, old age is supported by the evidence. Why do we have to keep going over the difference between "supported theories" and "assumptions". Go into the Dates and Dating forum and choose a topic, or start one on your own. You will quickly find that the old age of the earth is not simply assumed but a consequence of volumes of data, none of which support a young earth. The only assumption I see is that evidence for a young earth exists.

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And, also, in assuming, rather than a created earth, we are results of some expansion, out of the region of the speck. (early big bang)

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Again, this is not assumed but bore out of supported theories. Supported theories are not assumptions.

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All that to say, the evidence that led them to their conclusions seems thin.

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No matter how thin it is, it is still more evidence than you have offered for a gold covered diamond gyro surrounded by water in the center of the earth. Thin is a hell of a lot better than totally absent.

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Can I possibly put a band, or cover of gold all around our diamond gyro? Say, somewhere around the area between the inner mantle, and the "core", or diamond, without getting out of 'the possible'?

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No, because you have not given evidence that would support it's existence. I am not going to consider your model until you give me specific evidence, specific predictions, and specific models of how it would work.

Which one would that be?

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*not an actual doctor

I suggest you read through Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Part II thread. If you have anything to add, you can just jump in.I'm a geology dummy so don't expect any help from me.By the way, please please please look at my siggy. Thanks.This message has been edited by Jacen, 01-27-2005 12:41 AM

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People, please look at the Style Guide for EvC thread by Sylas. Pay particular attention to step 3.

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I repeat what is the temperature and pressure of your proposed cool liquid water?

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Lets take a look at what we have here. A liquid, (or something that the seismic waves wouldn't be able to tell exacly what it was)that exists under great pressure. There are more than one to look at. I chose water, and the response I got here seemed to indicate it was possible. Now, as we look closer at this aspect, it narrows things down. Seems to me that of all components in the model, this one would be the most controversial.
From your post, it seemed you were pointing out that, if we used water for our liquid here, it would have to be in a temperature range of, several hundred degrees? Of course as I looked at your post, I mistakenly thought you were saying it would be real cold! That would not have bothered me, as I said. Neither would some hot water, thousands of miles from the surface, of course.
But, if you want to rule out this, as our liquid here, by all means, do so. After all, I think we all respect real science, and actual evidence.
If we expected heat many times as hot as the sun down there, we would look for something that could survive pressure, like a diamond could, and fit the bill as best we can. If we expected overall an cooler scenario, we would want to do the same thing!
Evidence for either is welcome, and likely the same in many cases. Pressure and either cold or heat survivability, I think certainly are needed.

(What's a "siggy")

[quote]gold covered diamond gyro surrounded by water in the center of the earth..[quote] About that gold part, that was a question, not a new commandment. Since then, upon reflection, it seems gold might make sense more for the mantle? This is a question as well, I just want to see if my hunch on this is right. See if it could withstand the pressure, and the waves! Why gold? Well, that'll have to stay under my vest for the moment. Evidence? I certainly want it to fit all the real evidence we have.

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What does that book of lies have to do with anything?

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I was asking what you were being nasty about. I guess it's obvious you have some axe to grind with the God of the bible. That doesn't concern me, He can take care of Himself!

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About that gold part, that was a question, not a new commandment. Since then, upon reflection, it seems gold might make sense more for the mantle? This is a question as well, I just want to see if my hunch on this is right. See if it could withstand the pressure, and the waves! Why gold? Well, that'll have to stay under my vest for the moment. Evidence? I certainly want it to fit all the real evidence we have.

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I still don't think you understand what I am asking. In science there is a method, the scientific method. In this method you start with observations and then form a hypothesis. I am asking you to do the same. What observations led you to the hypothesis that there is a large diamond at the center of the earth, with or without gold foil.As a comparison, the observation that S waves did not penetrate a certain layer in the earth led to the hypothesis that there was a liquid layer. I want you to show me the specific data that supports a diamond at the center of the earth.