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berberry Inactive Member |
contracycle writes:
quote: And this hurts you how? And justifies ad hominem attacks against Brad how? I always knew you were a fraud. No one can crack the slightest joke about any minority group at any time without you labelling them a hate monger, but you see it as okay to make vicious attacks against an individual with communications difficulties? What a piece of work you are, contracycle. EDITED to change subtitle. This message has been edited by berberry, 02-21-2005 09:53 AM Keep America Safe AND Free!
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berberry Inactive Member |
I notice that no one - other than Brad of course - has yet thanked you for this, Snikwad. You've been able to make sense of what has had the rest of us baffled. Now that you explain it and Brad agrees that you at least have the gist of his meaning, it's like that proverbial light has finally been flicked ON.
Some of us do understand Brad quite well when he talks about things that don't directly relate to his scientific / creationist ideas. Most of us like Brad and we want to understand him better. You've helped us greatly and I can't thank you enough. Brad seems to be ecstatic about it; I feel terrific for him. For my part I'm just glad to see that he finally got through to someone, and I hope you'll stick around and continue this dialogue with him. I'll be following along, I promise. Keep America Safe AND Free!
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berberry Inactive Member |
contracycle lies:
quote: No it doesn't. It hurts you in no way whatsoever. Stop lying. What you see as "noise" others enjoy reading. Get over it.
quote: Who said anything about racism for crying out loud? I said that you try to paint anyone who tells a joke as an intolerant hate-monger, yet you defend someone for making unprovoked personal attacks against a member of this forum. You're a hypocrite and a fraud.
quote: Do tell.
quote: No, I didn't engage your nonsense about hate-speech. I read it, though. It was worthless drivel. Keep America Safe AND Free!
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berberry Inactive Member |
Brad, contracycle was defending SLPx's attack against you upthread. That was hypocritical of contracycle because in an earlier thread he took issue with innocuous jokes, calling them hate-speech. I was angry that he would defend SLPx's attack and I called him on it. I'm sorry it's off-topic, but the original offense took place in this thread so this is the thread where I responded.
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berberry Inactive Member |
Brad writes me:
quote: I guess not, but I can't help speculating from time to time about you being a genius. Your knowledge of scientists and philosophers - not to mention science and philosophy - goes far beyond mine. I can follow some of what you say about Kant because I became interested in him at college and read parts of his Critique of Pure Reason. (BTW, for anyone who might not know, Kant is often considered to be one of the most important German philosophers of all time. If you aren't familiar with him, check the entry at Wikipedia. His writing, if I recall, was often cryptic in ways similar to Brad's writing). I've read up on him lately to refresh my memory, and I notice that his views seem to heavily influence yours. Am I correct in believing that you see 'intelligent design' as a type of a priori knowledge? I think it's important not to try to carry Kant's science notions too far in today's debate, because his ideas were formulated at a time when modern science was in its infancy.
quote: You're welcome.
quote: I can understand your empathy for creationists, but I think this points out a cultural difference between us. Where you live, creationists are a minority, no? That's not at all the case in Mississippi. Creationists here are an almost overwhelming majority. So while I can understand your empathy and even your philosophic agreement with them on some of the ideas behind ID, I cannot understand why you feel that ID is science.
quote: You do crack me up sometimes, Brad. That's marvelous!
quote: Another interesting choice of words. I think I see your point.
quote: Easy to contemplate maybe, but are you talking about using "thoughts" to justify ID as science? I don't think you can do that until you find those working examples you spoke of. Keep America Safe AND Free!
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berberry Inactive Member |
And by the way, Brad, I remember somewhere upthread you complained about the thumbs-down icon next to the thread listing. You can change that yourself by editing the OP.
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berberry Inactive Member |
Brad writes me:
quote: Well I'm glad to hear you say that. But in another thread we were discussing the stickers that some states are mandating on science textbooks promoting ID. You seem to feel that the stickers are appropriate while I don't. Just as Kant was a philosopher, so ID is philosophy until someone can find a scientific basis for it. That's why I say that ID has no place in science classrooms.
quote: Well, I think I'm beginning to understand how you see all these scientific and philosophic disciplines as interrelated and perhaps even interdependent. I suppose I could sum up my complaint by saying that, in my view, philosophy can draw on science for its conclusions but science cannot draw on philosophy for anything more than inspiration. In other words, if we allow ID into science classrooms, aren't we undermining science? Keep America Safe AND Free!
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berberry Inactive Member |
Brad writes me:
quote: Absolutely. Just as has been pointed out by other posters here, even the theory of gravity has problems associated with it; problems that some say are even more serious than the problems that exist in evolution theory. Science textbooks should certainly reflect the fact that there are always problems in science; when we get to the point that there are no more problems then we will no longer need science. But to my mind introducing philosophy into science classrooms is not the correct way to show students that science isn't perfect.
quote: Are you talking about your own history? How could these stickers have had any effect on that? Keep America Safe AND Free!
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