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crashfrog
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Message 8 of 49 (190656)
03-08-2005 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LinearAq
03-08-2005 11:49 AM


The question is: Are we prisoners of our presuppositions?
Our presupposition is "the evidence is right", and yes, we're prisoner to it. Why shouldn't we be?
Their presupposition is "the Bible is right", and obviously they're prisoner to it, as well. The difference is their presupposition leads to slavery and people blowing up children, and our presupposition leads to VCR's and medicine.

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crashfrog
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Message 16 of 49 (190692)
03-08-2005 10:30 PM
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03-08-2005 10:07 PM


The difference is that science enables us to understand the physical world in a way that religion does not; that is, it lets us predict and manipulate the physical world.
That was sort of what I had hoped I had implied; after all, "technology" is the term we use for employing the findings of science to manipulate the natural world.
It was my hope to contrast the social strife of the Dark Ages and other examples of theocracy with the practical benefits of the application of science. And also, since I'm an asshole, I was trying to be smarmy and arrogant about it. Mission accomplished!

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crashfrog
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Message 35 of 49 (190846)
03-09-2005 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Soracilla
03-09-2005 9:11 PM


So really, you've already closed your mind to any other explaination than the evolutionist one.
No, we've simply closed our minds to any explanations besides those based on the evidence. And what's unreasonable about that? When you close your mind to lies, only the truth is left.
Aren't there many many scientists with PhD's who have turned from an evolutionary point of view to at least an ID point of view?
Until they have a model, what's to discuss?
Also, why doesn't science aim at truth?
Solipcism.

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crashfrog
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Message 40 of 49 (190856)
03-09-2005 10:57 PM
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03-09-2005 9:57 PM


Well, you assume that there is no other explanation than your's that is based on the evidence.
It's not an assumption, it's an observation. I observe that there are no alternatives to evolution that are based on the evidence. All the alternatives are based on ignorance.
Many who believe in ID or Creationism would ironically also think that their explanation is derived straight from the evidence (granted many also blindly believe it, which I don't endorse).
But I observe that they are wrong - that they have based their arguments on evidence which does not actually exist.
what's the point in studying science or debating if your conclusion is already made up?
My mind is made up, but it's also open to new evidence. I've come to a conclusion based on the evidence that we have. At such time that we have additional evidence, I'll see if I need to change my mind. But until then, there's no reason to.
Lastly, if you truly hold to Solipsism, then there really is absolutely no point in studying science or debating at all, bacause you can never know anything whatsoever (outside of your existence).
My VCR works no matter if its a really real object, or just a figment of my imagination. Science leads to testable predictions about our experiences no matter if those experiences reflect real reality, or if they're part of a shared hallucination. Science is the only method of constructing models in the face of solipcism. And the thing about solipcism is, you can't rebut it.
Because in Solipsism, all you can truly know is your own existence.
I can't even know that. But in the meantime, thanks to science, I can surf the internet.

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