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Topic: Atheist morality
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 1 of 95 (193623)
03-23-2005 5:40 AM
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If you try to be honest, you tend to meet a lot of honest people. If you are dishonest you will meet a lot of dishonest people. Morality is not a belief, but what we do each day. This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 03-24-2005 04:26 AM
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Hollow head
Finally they turned on me, tearing my head from my shoulders, hollowing it out, and taking turns using it as a toilet. I'm rather upset by all this, to be sure. But when I stopped believing in God, what else could have happened? Glad the medics were able to save the body. sorry about the head.LOL
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 6 of 95 (193707)
03-23-2005 2:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 2 by Ben! 03-23-2005 6:13 AM
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What's the difference between "honest" and "open" ? I'd say, when I'm honest but not open, I tend to meet the same people as when I'm dishonest and not open. But when I'm honest and open, I tend to get taken advantage of. You can be honest and open without being naive.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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i feel the need to step in and say that, even as a christian, my morality is not affected in the slightest by my religion. in fact, it's the other way around. I believe in Jesus because I agree with his morals. If your religion does not affect your morality, then what influence does it have in your life? For most religious people that I have met, thier belief is central to their morality. You have expressed a POV that seems unique to you, I am quite interested. Spcheck by PB This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 03-24-2005 04:39 AM
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 16 of 95 (193887)
03-24-2005 1:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Phat 03-23-2005 4:30 PM
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Re: Those things we do.
Would you say that morality is also what I watch each day? What I think about each day? Even what I joke about? Of course, what you watch, think and joke about are you.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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. i've always treated other how i want to be treated, i didn't need a 2000 year old invisible man in the sky to tell me that. my parents worked well enough. Thanks Arach, this is really the point of the OP.
2. i am not a christian now. this would be the case if change defines religion. as it turns out, this may actually be case. i seem no longer able to justify my faith with it's own history, and have already rejected a good portion of the new testament as just wrong. however, i still believe, if not in the traditional sense. and i do gather that my faith is rather uncommon. hard to find other people that share it. but basically my position is summed up like this. if god disappeared or didn't exist, i'd still treat other people in the way i feel they'd like to be treated. my relationships with other people are not affected by the presence or absence of my belief in something that is not those other people. nor should it be. You may be an athiest.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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no, if anything i'm a non-kosher jew. although on a recent live-journal-type quize thing that went around, i tested muslim. One of the chosen-people are you? Or a believer in Allah? If you can't decide what god you believe in then, you just might be an athiest. (pardon JF)
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 42 of 95 (194316)
03-25-2005 1:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Phat 03-24-2005 7:51 PM
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Re: be careful, phat...
Morality is not divorced from spirituality, IMO, because spiritual reality is a part of everyones makeup be they believer or atheist. Behavior is not improved by profession of spirituality in general..witness divorce stats in and out of church. Morality is intrinsic because spiritual awareness is intrinsic What is spiritual reality? If I have spiritual awareness, I am not aware of it. Morality is what you do, not the reason you do it.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 45 of 95 (194361)
03-25-2005 3:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 44 by Phat 03-25-2005 2:59 AM
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Pending
Im backing out of this one before it gets complicated. In response to Pink, however, I will say that I am not changing my tune...I just wing it.... Leaving the thread, or the diversion?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 49 of 95 (194428)
03-25-2005 11:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Phat 03-25-2005 6:00 AM
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Lost the election
You represent atheists, right DHA? Nope. I lost the election, Dan Carrol is, I think, the current athiest pope. LOL Have to go to work, but will have a more detailed answer to your interesting post later. Thanks. Just couln't resist.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 52 of 95 (196183)
04-02-2005 5:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 51 by satrekker 04-02-2005 2:59 AM
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Re: be careful, phat...
If your theology is not producing fruit in your life, then what good is it to you? Athiests have no theology.
A non-Christian (I prefer pre-Christian) post-christian actally.
However, all of the lies, hypocrisy, and deceit of man will never bring the truth of God in Christ Jesus to no effect. Can't imagine how it could, God being infinite and all.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 74 of 95 (202926)
04-27-2005 6:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 73 by RAZD 04-26-2005 10:55 PM
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Re: real morality based on reason, logic and universalizability
in this sense I agree with you that morals are not in the domain of deductive logic (implying that the same conclusions would always be reached from the same principles) because of the diversity of experience, knowledge and beliefs. You are creating a dichotmy that is not there. Your actions are your morals.
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