what is feminism?

no shit. i was simply stating the opposing psition. and frankly either is just as valid as the other. especially considering some of the arguments i've heard about female wasps being male in the rape thread.

look. while you may think that academic feminist means has nothing to do with anything, they lead the way in sociological thought apparently. all sociology has been changed by feminist academia. not to mention some stuff being discussed on this very board. cross-gender wasps? i'm NOT the crazy one.i think it's bullshit, but you can't deny the effect it has on the world. that's like saying because academic science has nothing to do with medicine and therefore doesn't help us any and doesn't matter.

that would be part of my point. i'm not sure of your term coalface but nonetheless, academic feminists are the ones published in academic literature. thus, their position is heard by other academics (and professionals) and sometimes even listened to. their research is what influences (apparently) the psycology of film and thus will eventually entirely invade popular culture in some fashion.

i think that it does not have immense influence, but i think that it has more than you might expect.and would you get off this literary criticism train. there's more to academic feminism than looking at old books about white guys and figuring out what it does say about women. it is a complete critique of culture both archaic and modern and how things ought to be. god i can't believe i'm arguing for this crap. but still. every form of study has the right to be respected as having some effect, because they all do. would you say judaic studies or african american studies has so very little impact on popular culture as you claim women's studies has? or is this special in some way?

you want influence? go read that rape thread and the bullshit about a female wasp being "culturally male". i'm not kidding, and *i* didn't say it.something that you and everyone else needs to notice is that radical ideologies do not tend to transform a culture (especially ours) radically. radical environmentalism has not created a huge and graphic change in our attitudes or reality. we still use fossil fuels and stuff, but there has been a dramatic rise in the number of vegans and institutional recycling programs etc. how has radical feminism affected the culture? there is a popularist movement. did you think that the average woman just came up with this? no. feminism started in academia. the first feminist was actually an academic. and a man at that. his book is subjugation of women. his name? john stuart mill. an economist. not even a historian. how bout that.oh yes and i love how you so elloquently dismiss art and sociology and history...This message has been edited by brennakimi, 03-29-2005 02:40 PM

no. i understand the argument. i still think it's crap. i think it's quite sexist to say that all "cultural" men are rapists.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 03-29-2005 11:17 PM

actually. academic science has very little to do directly with medicine. and remember. there is more to science than biology and much more than medical biology. studies of deep sea worms will not make your pace-maker run better.but, as i said. an academic founded feminism. and who cares if you heard of it. who are you anyways?

there weren't very many academic women then were there? but they were about as well educated as a woman could be and i'm sure their reading didn't consist of dime store novels.

you did say that. even if you don't realize it.

piss off.

ok. that is what you managed to say even if you didn't mean to. you should exercise more caution in your words.

i never said overrun. you need to stop exaggerating my statements. i said that they reflect many of the developments. who do you think came up with the gender being separate from sex junk?

alright, i went off a bit half-cocked to prove an assumption and grabbed the first thing i came upon.Thoughts on the Education of Daughters (1787)
A Vindication of the Rights of Woman (1792)
Mary Wollstonecraft
a teacher.
an academic.how's that?btw. an academic is one who follows the world of thought and knowledge very closely though not necessarily employed by the university system.

thank you.
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well it's a very sad thing that you don't like defining words, because the v ery first step in real discourse is to define terms so that no one is getting lost in trying to dig out their connotations dictionary.