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Author Topic:   Buzsaw Permanently Suspended
mike the wiz
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Message 7 of 83 (195465)
03-30-2005 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Admin
03-30-2005 1:10 PM


Huh?
Am I guessing it's for his own sake?
I read the two links in this thread. Apparently people were attacking Buz. But a permanent ban? I hope you can explain for us all Admin.

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Message 15 of 83 (195512)
03-30-2005 4:22 PM


Well, I can't read the whole thread now(the linked one), but firstly I think Parasomnium has shown great character in this topic.
Here's what Buz said;
Buz writes:
it is totally meanspirited and obnoxious forum behavior for my counterparts to call me on being dishonest and in violation of rules when I refer to the whole process as random
Now it appears that people were calling Buz dishonest and such.
I myself have called evolution random, and chance naturalism etc.. We say this because we refer to the CHOICE-based definition of "selection" involving a mind. You have to remember that evolution=no God from Buzsaw's perspective. Sheesh, terminology. That can't be what he was hanged for surely.
Buz writes:
This's the way I see it and I should not be denied that right to express what I believe as I believe it
Here Buz simply asserts his right to express it as he wants it. Big deal, we all do that.
Percy, you said;
Percy writes:
but in this post he says he has the right to express his view of things without ever having to engage the numerous rebuttals
I didn't read that personally. I just read that he wasn't altering his terminology.
Percy and Dan, really - your bad on this one, this seems like the same old "Buz won't change" routine. I personally think you just don't understand him.
In life, if you don't like the way someone debates or talks, yet he isn't doing anything particularly wrong then you don't cut his tongue off do you?
My worry Percy, is that you're simply banishing Buz for being Buz, but will there be an investigation into what Buz has said above in this quote? What about his words about people attacking HIM?
Percy, I have to plead with you to let Buz back, and put him in bootcamp where you and him can talk about this respectfully with eachother. I just can't see the justification of permanent banishment on the face of this. Should you silence him for no wrong-doing? Is he going to be sacrificed as the scapegoat of evo-frustrations?

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Message 22 of 83 (195539)
03-30-2005 7:48 PM
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03-30-2005 4:33 PM


I'll let it slide Percy. I was going to email you but I think It seems you've made your mind up. To be honest though Percy, whatever the problem between you and Buz, I think the forum will lose out. But if your mind is concrete then it's set.
If you're listening Buz, you can email me. If u don't want to fair enough, it was just to say goodbye good bud.

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Message 23 of 83 (195541)
03-30-2005 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Dan Carroll
03-30-2005 4:44 PM


Final point via irrefutable mikes words of discerning brilliance
On a forum with established rules, if someone debates in such a way that breaks those rules, you boot them
Okay, I won't get into the whole "what rules Buz broken" debate but I think others have behaved in a much more guilty and rule-breaking fashion.
Example, Charles Knight spams messages with no content. When he said my post was "bollocks" he didn't back up why, and most of his posts are one sentence, and are more of a running commentary on what is happening. No offense admin but if he was creo he would have been outed after three days. No offense Charles either, but I hope you can see my point and it's truly not a personal one.
You yourself include comedy in almost every post in serious forums Dan. Yet you and Charles aren't banned permanently for being you and Charles. If you were both creo Christian fundies, I think you would be treated differently.
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Message 43 of 83 (195659)
03-31-2005 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Phat
03-31-2005 5:47 AM


Re: Eulogy for Buzz
Yep, good luck Buz and God bless.
Hey Phatz, it's just the permanent suspension that confuses me. If he was not let back in for six months, then I think that would be a harsh and severe penalty. Or even a year, which is quite a long time. But permanent? *huh*
I suppose this strikes me as the equivalent of getting life in prison for stealing a potato.

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Message 50 of 83 (195691)
03-31-2005 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by sidelined
03-31-2005 8:58 AM


That said, I will step in here to say that if we make this a permanent ban then I will no longer post here myself.
I will also consider this if it is a phantom zone eternal banishment.

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Message 61 of 83 (195726)
03-31-2005 11:26 AM
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03-31-2005 11:15 AM


Re: A forth option?
That's an honest answer(from you), atleast.
PS. Just incase Ned's ignoring my posts aswell, he's a big dozy nit wit. (joke!)
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Message 64 of 83 (195811)
03-31-2005 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by 1.61803
03-31-2005 3:52 PM


Re: F
I also vote this. But is Percy listening?

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Message 72 of 83 (195872)
03-31-2005 8:08 PM
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03-31-2005 7:43 PM


Re: F
It's okay Phatboy, I don't personally feel that I am owed an explanation, or that any admins need justify themselves to me. I think the admins here are very good. Infact I like Minnemoose and Percy a lot, and have always thought of them as kind of benevolent and long-suffering and fair adminites.
We know that Moose is the more cranky OT boss and that Percy is more the NT boss that keeps him in his cage, so it took me by surprise that Percy done this as usually we must escape the full wrath of Moose let loose on mike the goose.

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