|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: A Working Definition of God | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
quote: I'm asking Percy specifically I believe. It's a question about what constitutes evidence basically.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nothing of what you say is relevant to the point I was making, which was simply that if one follows a well established body of teaching it is not right to accuse the person of arrogance as if she made it up.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
quote: Let me rephrase it then. Do you "CHOOSE" TO BELIEVE THAT EVOLUTION IS THE TRUTH OR DO YOU BELIEVE IT BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT *IS* THE TRUTH? The idea was that saying that I CHOOSE to believe what I believe is tendentious. I don't choose to believe it any more than you choose to believe evolution is the truth. I believe it IS the truth just as you believe evolution IS the truth. I believe I have the best of grounds for considering it to be the truth. Same as with your taking evolution as the truth. It's not a matter of mixing terminology. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-19-2005 12:03 PM
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
dsv Member (Idle past 4755 days) Posts: 220 From: Secret Underground Hideout Joined: |
You said "...not an idea about God that I dreamed up on my own..." and I'm suggesting that you did not dream it up on your own. Rather, the society, your surroundings, teachings, etc. have implanted a view of the Word of God before you decided that you were actually hearing the Word of God and had a personal connection with Him.
Your definition of who/what God is would be dependent on what area of the planet you were raised in and what the culture was like. Otherwise, we would not see the kind of geographic boundaries in religion that we see. Certainly God is able to speak to anyone anywhere on the planet.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
mikehager Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
I don't choose to believe it any more than you choose to believe evolution is the truth. I believe it IS the truth just as you believe evolution IS the truth. I believe I have the best of grounds for considering it to be the truth. Same as with your taking evolution as the truth. It's not a matter of mixing terminology. Of course you are mixing terms. You believe in christianity in spite of a glaring dearth of evidence, which is certainly your right. Percy (if I may be so bold) and I and others accept evolution because of the available evidence. Does the difference somehow escape you?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All that is simply another subject. I came to my faith in Christ in midlife by reading a ton of books about all kinds of religions, not by being brought up in a culture. I was an atheist for most of my life in this Christian culture.
And there are certainly an awful lot of people brought up in this Christian culture who end up being Buddhists or following some other kind of nonChristian religion which you aren't taking into account. There are also lots of Christians in Asia, which is not a Christian culture. But again, this is another subject. The point was about being accused of arrogance for believing I can know God personally. I think it MIGHT be arrogance if somebody just made up their own God as so many seem to do, but if a person gets the idea from a well established teaching then it's not a personal idiosyncratic belief but something with a history and a social framework. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-19-2005 11:56 AM
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
And just exactly WHAT are you talking about?
You may rely that I do not need your sort of laughable enlightenment (I am generally able to define those things in which I believe Keep going, I want you to exalt yourself. Claim that you're better than me in every way if you want, so that the scripture comes true.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
quote: I don't expect to convince anybody here of course, but I totally disagree. I have a LOT of evidence, and the evidence becomes more apparent to me daily, it's just not physical evidence.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
. I have a LOT of evidence, and the evidence becomes more apparent to me daily, it's just not physical evidence. Don't waste your time. Mike's fundamental dogma is elementary principles of naturalism. He only accepts evidence if it fits his premise of naturalism. If it doesn't, it doesn't exist in his world.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
quote: That seems to be the case with many on this site. Sad but true. I don't know if it's a waste of time. I may come to that conclusion eventually but up to a point it can be an entertaining challenge to try to explain something to people from a totally other frame of reference. You never know who's reading and may get the point in spite of this nutty naturalistic dogma here.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
This whole "we have truckloads of evidence, they just refuse to see it" business would be far less funny on a thread that wasn't devoted to the question, "evidence of what, exactly?"
A question as yet unanswered. So far we've got a Dr. Strange character who feels fiery about Jesus.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Well. you've been a member longer than I, but these guys are for science and seem to worship it as their naturalistic god of the elements. They seem to not be able to see past it so much that it dominates their time. The wool is over their eyes so much that they think science means that God doesn't exist anymore unless they have tangeable evidence. Backwards, just as the enemy wants it. It's the big authority of their time, and they obey it, and stay in the land of boxed thought.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Right you are.
I haven't been around that long. I registered years ago but only recently started posting here frequently, in the last couple of months. So I'm not burnt out yet. Maybe soon So what are we to do? Pray of course. We don't have the power to break the enemy's strongholds but we know who does. God may yet have mercy on these poor deceived people, but that's up to Him in His timing. Meanwhile what a GREAT place for learning PATIENCE and FORBEARANCE and DYING TO SELF and AGAPE LOVE and all those virtues I don't have!
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
mikehager Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
If your scriptures come true, It will pretty much have to be because of a human or natural agency and will be a coincidence.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
mikehager Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 534 Joined: |
I have a LOT of evidence, and the evidence becomes more apparent to me daily, it's just not physical evidence. Then you don't have evidence, you have opinion. Again, do you fail to see the difference?
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024