Source of biblical flood water?

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Well, when you've read it cover to cover, word by word, twenty or thirty times, come back. Perhaps by then you will have learned what's in it.

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Am I remembering wrong here, weren't you a Hindu? Maybe I got the name wrong or something. Why would it matter? Welll, if it were so, why would one read the bible over and over? If not, sorry, must be someone else.I don't find all the the bible that interesting. I like the New Testament, Psalms, Proverbs, Isiah, and some Genesis. But all the Leviticis type stuff, is of very limited interest to most people.
To me, it's like saying, don't you pray? It doesn't count to just talk to God sometimes, you have to keep chanting, and sailing around some prayer beads to really have it count! The devil read the bible a lot, I guess, he quoted it to Jesus!

Ro 2:28 - For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:Ro 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

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the standard reasoning is that there was no need for a sun -- god lit it personally. as for the sun going away, i may not have read revelation very carefully

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The bible does tell us it will last forever, so we know that even though they do not need the sun in the city, it is still around. Also, outside the city are still nations, and they likely need it, not being supermen and women and children like the believers in the city!

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not to mention the bits that jesus himself said about the heavens passing away.

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They will pass away, these physical only heavens we know, as the new ones are revealed. The merged everlasting 'new' earth, and heavens that are revealed in their eternal merged state. As I say we don't have enough in common to discuss bible.

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The bible does tell us it [the sun] will last forever

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BOOK! CHAPTER! VERSE! where?

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show me proof? i just showed a half a dozen verses that plainly disagree. and you respond with "the bible tells us..." great. where?

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Funny, for reading it so much, you miss a lot. Heres some.
"Ps 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
Ps 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.Ps 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah."Ps 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me."Ps 104:5 - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. " (now the surface, thats a different matter!)"Ec 1:4 -One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. ""Ec 3:14 -I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: ""Da 12:3 -And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

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actually, as i recall, this is a recreation of the earth -- there's nothing else.

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No the earth is forever as I just pointed out, it is merely a renewal or burning of the surface.
The city lands on earth, that is clear.
Outside our city there are, as I said, still nations, in need still of some type of healing.
"Re 21:24 -And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. " Kings have a kingdom, they will come to our city bearing gifts.
-And we will give them things as well.
"Re 22:2 -In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. "
It clearly shows in our city is no sickness, or death, and even tears wiped away. The healin leaves are for nations outside who still need healing!
"Re 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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so the heavens -- THE REALM OF GOD -- are physical only?

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The stuff we see, yes. When it is merged, we'll see the whole picture, and all we were missing.

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i'm sorry, but two verses that say directly the opposite of each are usually considered inconsistent.

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Not true at all. All it shows is an inability to understand, or an unwillingness. I remember someone showed me something they said was called 'satan's bible'. All I remember of it was that it had a bunch of bible verses, seemingly contradictory, all listed beside each other. I remember this example. -'answer not a fool according to his folly, leat thou be like also unto him'
-and 'Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit'.
A time for everything! The majesty of choice! And so it goes, just a bunch of occult types trying to make the bible (God) sound silly!

Why?

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, there's no son of david on the throne in israel right now

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Jesus, and as you can see you need to readjust your idea of Israel, and the 'holy city', and Jerusalem, because somethimes He is talking about believers (Christians), the & golden city (for bothe the latter ones)

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indeed, the word in the hebrew means "shake" and not "destroy"

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Well, it will be shaken, but never destroyed, sounds good to me.

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"Ec 1:4 -One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. "

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actually, this one DISPROVES your point (not to mention ptolemy's).

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No, because on eternal earth here, many generations, as you might notice do pass away. However, on the same earth, generations also coming, will not pass away, like the earth.

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Nothing can be added to it
And nothing can be taken from it --
and God has brought to pass that men revere him.

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now. compare.

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Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
"nothing added and nothing taken away" is the jewish philosophy regarding the sanctity of scripture. so what's he talking about?

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"I know that whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that man should fear before him
(Ecclesiastes 3:14). In this verse, Solomon comes very near to the ultimate truth with which he finally closed out the book (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14). Note particularly the fact that the fear of God on man's part is the basic element of true wisdom and that God binds it as a pre-condition of all the blessings he may give to men. "
Ecclesiastes 3 - Coffman's Commentaries on the Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org
There's a commentary on it. To me it kind of sounds like, 'man can't tinker much with what God does or is going to do. So be careful, O little man.'

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"Da 12:3 -And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

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not the sun, not the moon, and not the earth. stars, and might i add NEW stars. not the old ones.

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What's the brightest thing (or 'star') in all the sky? The sun. But it shows as well the stsrs, etc are also eternal, even though we it all will lookk different when the curtain is drawn for the new heavens. Why? Well, for example, the color of the stsrs we see is depended I think on a few things. Take away the decay, and have the spirit light get here instantly, and I think even the color will change?

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it is merely a renewal or burning of the surface

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book, chapter, verse? can you present anything on this? you have two possibly valid mentions above, and one that disproves your other argument.

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rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
"2Pe 3:12 - Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? "
2 pet 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. "Re 21:5 - And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. ..""Ac 3:21 -Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. "So, once we have the key to understanding what will go on here, many verses simply take on a new light, and are opened to our understanding as to what they really meant all along.

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When it is merged, we'll see the whole picture, and all we were missing.

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still, i regards to this merged bit, book, chapter, verse?

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"1Th 4:17 -Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. "
If we look around the bible, we see that when we are ressurected, what happens is our dead (unless it's still live when He comes, then it'll be our live ones) bodies are raised, joined with our spirits, and we then have our immortal bodies. (doesn't matter if the bodies were destroyed, drowned, etc. (Some atom, or hair, or whatever was saved somewhere)
Why? I don't know, apparently our spirits in heave are somehow still incomplete till they merge with the body. So here we do have a merge. I presented a case for the phsical world and universe being in a similar boat, in that they are purged, or changed, and the spiritual joins it, revealing the everlasting complete version. Like Heaven coming down to earth, home of God Himself, to live here on our cleaned up, renewed earth, in it's forever state.
So you can take it or leave it, that's basically the case.

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i've read it. THOROUGHLY. i checked every contradiction. roughly half of them are flat out bullshit, and stem from pure misunderstanind.

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Well, then, I give you good marks. You get about 50% on the test here. Now I think that either that book may have been in a bigger one of another name, changed names, or something, cause I am pretty sure O looked at the title when they showed me, but you could be right.
Now for my humble opinion on the matter. I fully believe that if we did not misunderstand the Almighty, we would see all of these were misunderstandings! As I say, we need supernatural help to understand a lot of the book, to really get it. Our frame of reference is too limited. So even bible understsnding is in a box of the physical or mental, until the spiritual element is entered, like punching the right key code, and bam-it wakes up, and comes alive! Otherwise it is dead words. The Spirit quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing!

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and i suppose my hebrew prophesor, who indeed believes in the text himself, is one such occult type trying to make the bible or god sound silly.

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Lets give him the benefit of the doubt here, and say he is just not scoring too high on the test!

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2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
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1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
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feel free to check the stories

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My take, at first boo is that God simply used the devil to punish Israel. In other words, the devil was His agent, because of some sin, no doubt, to go down, and deceive, or inspire in a way that would end up as a punishment? Note however, that 'who the Lord loves, He chasteneth, and scoureth every son that He receives'. So, it's not like the devil was allowed for long to spank them, only till they got the point.

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Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
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Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
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since you might have missed this one, "lucifer" is latin for the planet venus the half of the year it comprises it's role as the morning star

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Despite a planet being of the same name in latin, which may have some good reason, we should remember that the devil is not actually a planet!"Job 38:7 -When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? "
That verse brings a touch of sadness to me. It talks to me of a time, perhaps before the angels rebelled? -where Jesus, the wonderful great and bright morning star, seems here to have sang together with some other powerful bright morning star. (the devil before the rebellion?)
So, in now, it would stand to reason, if this is right, that only Jesus is left as the bright morning star.

Just a note, I'll be away for awhile, maybe I'll check back, and see how the thread ended.

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i think the philosophy that we need to "readjust our ideas" of what certain things are is CHEATING. we can "readjust" our ideas of anything to anything.

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He uses some things interchangably, so nothing is changed, only understood. When we read it in the light of His people Israel someyimes meaning christians, and Jerusalem sometimes actually refering to the Holy one. Etc. We are the true Jews, Paul indicates, so why not?

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oh. my. god.

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no, it says it will never be shaken.

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His word, no. The earth, will be.

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it says the planet will never change. that's what "abides" means. it stays the same. so no merged state.

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No, abides can happen with some changes. Like if we abide, we can still learn. Our lawn can still abide, if we give it a burn to help it. The earth also will abide just great after the surface fire.

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did the hebrews know that the little points of light in the sky where the same thing as the really, really big one?

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I was thinking they knew which the brightest one was.

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even though we it all will look different when the curtain is drawn for the new heavens. Why? Well, for example, the color of the stsrs we see is depended I think on a few things.

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book, chapter, verse?

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Re 6:14 -" And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
A scroll, like one of those curtains you pull the string, and it rolls up.

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depends. does decay include molecular collapse and fission? if so, a little more than color will change -- them existing will change.

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How much fission or whatnot do you think will happen in this last generation? No time for too much of anything

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fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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gog and magog, not the earth.

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From the rest of the bible we see it is more than a couple kings who get burned, but every mountain made low, and no more sea as well.

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"2Pe 3:12 - Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? "

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that's especially contradictory to your point of them lasting forever.

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Not in the least. The elements on earths surface, and atmosphere need a cleansing. As they are dissolved, or rolled up like a scroll, we'll see our new ones at the merge.

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Re 21:5 - And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. .."

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recreation, not restoration. "all thing" would include the earth.

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Yes, the earth that was burned on the surface, will be made new as well. Not only that, with the spiritual added, it will be everlasting.

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it seems to speaking about "the rapture." it just says, basically they'll get taken up to heaven

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No. Their bodies are very dead here! The dead in Christ shall rise first. Enoch was alive. If we go to be with Jesus, like the guy helping John in Revelations 'I am thy fellowservant'. Then why would our dead bodies on earth need to be raised, if we were fine with just a spirit body in heaven? It takes both to be complete.

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. there is the occasional talk of the physical body being resurrected. and maybe even the spirit joined with it. but where is our spirit now if not in our bodies

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Us who are alive have our spirit right here, of course. When we die, we go to be with the Lord.

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makes no sense. i'm sorry. if our spirits are in heaven NOW

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Only when you die, if you are a believer, would they go to heaven. But as the rapture indicates, we are coming back for our raised physical bodies, to join our spirits, for our everlasting real merged bodies.

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Like Heaven coming down to earth, home of God Himself

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possibly. but it's not any kind of different reality. it's just a relocation

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City of spirits, headquarters of the Great Spirit, on a new earth, in a time we see the new heavens as well, when it all comes together!

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who's jesus's earthly grandfather, joseph's dad?

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A Spirit came in to Mary, and she got pregnant with God's Own Son. Joseph was not the father, why not have 2 geneologies! After all a virgin birth was unusual, actually, unique!
Matthew 1 - Coffman's Commentaries on the Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org
"the simplest, reconciliation of these two lists is to view Matthew's account as the ancestry of Joseph, and Luke's genealogy as the record of Mary's ancestry. Two separate genealogies of Jesus Christ are absolutely necessary in the establishment of the Christ, first as the blood descendant of David, and secondly, as the legal heir to the royal throne of the Hebrews. Matthew shows Christ as the legal heir to the throne by tracing his ancestry down through the royal line of the kings of Israel.Luke's genealogy is utterly different, because it is not concerned with title to a throne but with the blood ancestry of Jesus. The only real difficulty in this view is the statement in Luke 3:23 that Joseph is the "son of Heli." R. A. Torrey stated that "Joseph's name is introduced into this place instead of Mary's, he being Mary's husband. Heli was Joseph's father-in-law; and so Joseph was called "the son of Heli." While Joseph was son-in-law of Heli, he was, according to the flesh, actually the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16). F11 This type of double entry was not confusing to the Jews, for a woman's name did not usually stand in the tables of genealogy"

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As I say, we need supernatural help to understand a lot of the book, to really get it.

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kind of an unconvincing way to proselytize, don't you think?

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Well, is that all it is a document trying to sell people? He just tells it like it is, and our job is to believe it, and He has help available for those who seek it. Not too many get saved by the bible, I would guess, though many doubtless have. Thats why He needs people to do it.

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does reason profit nothing? does logic and understanding profit nothing?

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Leaning to man's wisdom wouldn't help. Our own logic and understanding just don't cut it either, we need His help!

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although referred to in different languages, is still the star (planet) on the horizon the heralds the dawn 6 months out of the year.

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What heralded the dawn pre split, or will herald it after the merge?

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hmm. nice. close, hit some of the symbolic meaning, but not quite there. still missing to very important aspects of this story, so you don't quite appreciate the beauty of this yet. if you don't reply (vacation or whatever) i'll explain in a day or two.

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OK, you get the last word, I will be unreachable for a bit.