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I've never actually seen chance produce a painting though, or something as obviously designed as the Sistine chapel ceiling fresco. I can tell even hundreds of years later that someone must have created it, and that it didn't paint itself, like people would have me believe? Oops, "designerdidit" again, I really shouldn't do that.

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Right.A designerdidit.We know the designer. We know exactly how he did the designing. We even have painters today.You are absolutely correct that paintings do not spring up all on their own.OTOH...We don't know who or what your Designer of nature is. We have never seen your creator create any life form the way we have seen people create paintings.Unlike paintings, living things reproduce and create offspring all by themselves.Let the record show that this is the 1,984th time I have explained this fallacious argument to mike the wiz, and he STILL insists upon using it.

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Shraff, name the fallacy then.

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"Begging the Question" is the fallacious argument you are using.As this site, one of my all-time favorites explains so well, "it assumes the universe is designed in order to prove that it is the work of a designer."

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So you only come to a conclusion he doesn't exist because of your ignorance? An argument from ignorance?

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No, this is not the "Argument from Ignorance."This is the Argument from Ignorance: I have never made the claim that God has not designed anything. I don't know if he did or didn't. I certainly don't see any evidence of his designing anything. Can you show me some?

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But those evidences you call "transitionals" could be said to be many designed proves of the ultimate truths.

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I think the absolute nature and truth of designer information in DNA is irrefutable anyway.

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Wha??

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You miss the point, which is a logical one I thought you might apreciate. The point is that, we know they were designed (the paintings), but a man in a field in a thousand years doesn't and might come to the conclusion that they happened randomly (like you).

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Doubtful.We have artifacts from 10,000 ago years or more that we recognize as being been clearly and unambiguously made by humans.Oh, and are you talking about randomness WRT the ToE?Because there is another little element to the ToE that goes along with random mutation that living, reproducing things are subject to that paintings are not.Can you remember what that little factor, that little important piece of the mechanism is? Come on, tell me what it is. You remember....

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