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Author Topic:   Is this Bible verse about believers and poison to be taken literally?
Phat
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Message 106 of 142 (204073)
05-01-2005 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by nator
05-01-2005 8:23 AM


Re: Temptation
No, No...I am the stupidist, I am the stupidist. I am the chief among sinners, not YOU! You are an agnostic relativist!
Which God, again?
When discussing the Bible, do me a favor and stick to the god that you rejected...as a frame of reference.
In reply to my other post where I told you of my illness, I want you to understand that I need an absolute truth in my life!
Now...if only we can all just get along! (Appologies to Rodney King)

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Phat
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Message 109 of 142 (204116)
05-01-2005 12:58 PM
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05-01-2005 9:41 AM


Signs and Wonders
Time limit?
NIV writes:
1 Cor 13:8-10- Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
Some say that that verse explains away many of the signs and wonders as having ceased. It does not mention "snakes" specifically, but it does mention tongues, which was contextually linked with snakes.

"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives."-- Anne Dillard
Every tool carries with it the spirit by which it had been created.
-- Werner Karl Heisenberg: (1901-1976) German physicist
I read the newspaper avidly. It is my one form of continuous fiction.
-- Aneurin Bevan: (1897-1960) English politician

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Phat
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Message 111 of 142 (204229)
05-02-2005 1:27 AM
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05-02-2005 1:11 AM


Re: Signs and Wonders
My friend who grew up heavy in ole time Assemblies of God type "praying through" at the altar type churches would agree with you. He and I have seen supernbatural manifestations, so i probably should be like him, but I am too skeptical...don't know why>>>

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Phat
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Message 114 of 142 (204258)
05-02-2005 8:57 AM
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04-25-2005 10:24 PM


Another personal view
Hi, Schraff! Thanks for the personal encouragement, by the way!
Getting back to your original topic where you say
It {The Bible} very clearly says that anyone who believes that Jesus is the Messiah will be able to drink any deadly thing without coming to any harm.
It also very clearly says that believers will be able to heal sick people simply by touching them.
If we are to take these statements literally, then why isn't it common knowledge that Christians are immune to poison? Also, why don't we see real, undeniable faith healing by believers instead of that fraudulent huxster stuff?
Personally, I believe that there are very few believers who are ready to have their faith stretched to such a point that they would be ready vessels for Gods demonstrative powers. Many Biblical commentators think that the Church of Laodecia describes the current atmosphere in America..to wit:Rev 3:14-18
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth. You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Here in America, we have a lukewarm church. We are Christians in principle, but were there to be a big test of our faith, it is questionable if many (or even few) Christians would be ready to deny the reality of the system around them for Gods sake.
Another thread that you started mentioned the possibility of America becoming a police state. I will continue my line of thought there. PB
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