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Jianyi Zhang
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Message 218 of 305 (207781)
05-13-2005 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Ben!
05-13-2005 2:31 AM


Originally posted by Ben:
I'm not a biologist at all; I haven't completed an introductory to biology course at all yet.
Ben, that means you has not been poisoned.
It seems to me that, if you're right, and if a species were instantly created by the simultaneous birth of fraternal twins with the same gross mutations, that there's some really clear predictions about allele frequencies in the resulting species (which would proliferate, if selected by the filter of NS, from these two "second-level" Eves)
If I am right, there are no significant differences in majority of allele frequencies. Except in cases like chromosomal translocation or chromosomal fusion, ones can see addition or deletion of many genes if comparing parental and resulted species.
I suspect many gross mutation or gross changes of genetic materials caused by viral transfers, which can add or delete a piece of chromosome instantaneously.
Study of allele frequency is not best way to detect that, proper way to do it is by sequencing whole genome.
The prediction is specifically that the allele frequencies in the parent species' population would be changed.
The allele frequencies of parent species' population will be as usual,
most of the allele frequencies of new species' population will be same as parental ones. Ones will see some new genes added in new species, some genes are gone completely.
However, a RMNS speciation model would predict nothing special, just regular drift / change rates of alleles due to population drift or selection principles.
You are right, changes of allele frequencies is just like changes of pollen density in air, it is unavoidable. RMNS has not any predictory power at all in terms of speciation. You are much smarter than ones with many year biology training.

Jianyi Zhang

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Jianyi Zhang
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Message 219 of 305 (207867)
05-13-2005 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Wounded King
05-13-2005 4:56 AM


Re: circling
Originally posted by Wounded King:
I point out that you are making a totally unwarranted assumption and your only comeback is to say that we should still assume it and then your argument will make sense?
Even ones do not know it a real new specie, I just make a hypothetical case, ask you a simple question. Why are you so afraid and tongue-tied with the assumption?
Your theory simply seems to want to choose an extreme hopeful monster like scenario and then to get around the obvious problems with such a scenario resort to an even more unlikely mechanism of supertwinning.
How do you know it unlikely? By your wishful thinking?
You also assume that incest would be natural, another assumption with little support.
What kind supports do you like to see?
If the reproductive isolation was post-mating then why would the MISTWGM need to resort to incest?
The MISTWGM does not have to incest, they can mate with parental species, however, there is no healthy offspring, or no offspring at all, as they are different biological species. They only can have healthy offspring by mating among themselve.
How different morphologically are you proposing these hopeful monsters of yours are?
They do not have to be very morphologically different, birds can recognize other birds by songs, and they might be morphologically very similar. If a new species does not have systems to find out each other, they do not survive, and ones never know.

Jianyi Zhang

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Jianyi Zhang
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Message 226 of 305 (209875)
05-19-2005 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by mick
05-18-2005 8:17 PM


Re: hybridization
how does your theory account for the widespread hybridization we find in nature?
If two species hybridize with reproductive offspring, they are subspecies. It is wrong to assume they are two species at the first place.

Jianyi Zhang

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