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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by gene90:
Your message implied it only told the bride how to avoid having sex if she did not want to have sex. You did not say it discouraged sex. It is basically the same thing in this context and I have a feeling that you knew that and like John you are becoming contrary.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]It is basically the same thing in this context[/QUOTE]
[/B] I think there is a significant difference in teaching a woman ways to avoid being raped and trying to convince her that sex is bad. If it is the same in that context then you have failed to convey it.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by gene90:
I didn't say that inbreeding does not have negative consequences, I said that people have a right to marry whoever they want. No, they don't have the right to marry whomever they want. It is a privilege that is why you have to get a licence to make it legal. You can't legally marry your pet, your close blood relations, etc... I personally don't have an opinion on that so this comment has fallen upon deaf ears. So, you approve of beating children as a form of "discipline"? Just recently an elderly woman, from a local Christian cult, was convicted of using excessive force on 5 children in their group when she beat them with the "rod" (Wooden paddle). That's legal in Canada? Of course not, that is why they are arrested for this crime against their children. You would have the government (law) mind its own business in this sort of situation. Here in the US I believe that would fall under our child neglect laws. What and let the evil government interfer in how they want to raise their own children? Those evil interfering laws should be repealed at once. (Note: Sarcasm)
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by gene90:
I think there is a significant difference in teaching a woman ways to avoid being raped and trying to convince her that sex is bad. If it is the same in that context then you have failed to convey it. No, you are obviously being contrary. It was perfectly clear from the context that it was to avoid having sex for pleasure. I would have said to avoid having sex forced on her. This discussion is over. [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-25-2002]
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]No, they don't have the right to marry whomever they want. It is a privilege that is why you have to get a licence to make it legal.[/QUOTE]
[/B] I'm sorry, WHAT did you just say?
[QUOTE][B]You can't legally marry your pet, your close blood relations, etc...[/QUOTE] [/B] Persons of the same sex?
[QUOTE][B]You would have the government (law) mind its own business in this sort of situation.[/QUOTE] [/B] But not to that extent. I believe in anti-abuse laws and you're putting words in my mouth. But you think marriage is not a right? And you also believe government can say WHO you can marry? And you have been arguing with me over homosexuality? You're more conservative than I am!
[QUOTE][B]So, you approve of beating children as a form of "discipline"? Just recently an elderly woman, from a local Christian cult, was convicted of using excessive force on 5 children in their group when she beat them with the "rod" (Wooden paddle).[/QUOTE] [/B] How excessive? Did she hit them once and not leave a mark, or did she put them in the hospital? There's a moral difference there. [This message has been edited by gene90, 10-25-2002]
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Without having heard what you have to say on the topic, I'd probably respond that other people in other religions have found similar evidence -- or say they have, being subjective I cannot verify it-- and not all of you can be right.
quote: Is it? I don't think so. Dividing the world into multiple metaphysical arenas and using different rules in each just seems like cheating.
quote: Anything is possible. Lack of disproof isn't proof.
quote: hmmm.... this could be interesting.... ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]I'd probably respond that other people in other religions have found similar evidence -- or say they have, being subjective I cannot verify it-- and not all of you can be right.[/QUOTE]
[/B] That's certainly true, many religions (including mine) are exclusive...though it is doctrine (as I understand it) that most forms of religion have at least *some* truth in them.
[QUOTE][B]Dividing the world into multiple metaphysical arenas and using different rules in each just seems like cheating.[/QUOTE] [/B] I'm sympathetic to that opinion, but there might actually be "multiple metaphysical arenas" that will always be out of the reach of science. I don't think religion, in some form or another, will ever go away, even if we didn't have any psychological need for it and even if they're all baloney.
[QUOTE][B]hmmm.... this could be interesting....[/QUOTE] [/B] But it's all very circumstantial, of course....
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...and a lot of suicide bombers, USA-grown terrorists, child molestors, and domestic abusers started out like that... I am not saying that all very religious paople are like that, or that all criminals of this sort are very religious, but a correlation between all of these behaviors and strict religious training has been observed.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Thanks. It's not a big deal.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Ah, but I think it would go away if there wasn't the psychological need for it. I mean, it went away for lots of Agnostics and atheists, didn't it?
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John Inactive Member |
quote: That is a good point, Gene. If the psycho-need (for short ) for it went away and religions are all baloney, why would it stay around? ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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