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Author Topic:   Where are the Christian Democrats?
crashfrog
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Message 3 of 71 (213250)
06-01-2005 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Monk
06-01-2005 4:16 PM


Who among the Democrats isn't a Christian? Can you name a single atheist in public American politics? I sure can't.
At any rate I can think of one prominent Christian Democrat; maybe you've heard of him, he ran for president and all. John Kerry. Ring any bells?

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crashfrog
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Message 6 of 71 (213262)
06-01-2005 7:38 PM
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06-01-2005 6:47 PM


Re: Kerry
He only mentioned it every single time he gave a speech.
Would it have mattered what he said? Honestly it's not like Americans seem to give a damn what our politicians actually say, right?

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crashfrog
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Message 12 of 71 (213292)
06-01-2005 9:47 PM
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06-01-2005 9:44 PM


Oh yeah, ....Kerry, wasn't he the guy who had all those problems with the veterans?
I remember some veterans had some problems with him, but since they turned out to be liars, I stopped paying attention.

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crashfrog
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Message 53 of 71 (214112)
06-04-2005 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Faith
06-04-2005 12:54 AM


True, even the most evil people think they are doing good with their evil, so we need an external standard.
I try to stick with "results", because I believe that results are the ultimate arbiter of the morality of an action. But also I've found that moral certainty is a pretty good indication of evilness. The evil guys are usually those who are so absolutely certain that they're doing the right thing that they will brook no disagreement or uncertainty among their followers.
So maybe now you understand why I fear and oppose you and your ilk. Your degree of moral certainty informs me that you're likely to turn out about as evil as the terrorists.
The moral equivalence is tough to make. If the terrorists hate and lust for death ten times as much as we do, but our weapons have ten times the indiscriminate destructive capability, who's the more evil? It's tough to say. By a good estimate, we've caused the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis. Maybe we're better people than the terrorists, but our actions would seem to be worse. Make of that what you will.

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crashfrog
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Message 57 of 71 (214167)
06-04-2005 11:44 AM
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06-04-2005 11:38 AM


I see, it's not the terrorists who have actually been blowing them up that have caused their deaths
How could dynamite jackets and IED's kill 100,000 people? Get real.
it's we who are trying to defend the people -- and ourselves -- from the terrorists who are to blame.
When we drop cluster ordinance over a target and, predictably, uncontrollable bomblets strike residential areas and kill people, then yes, I'd say we're to blame. So would anyone unfettered by a psychotic need to absolve the US of any blame for any of its actions.
Actually I think most of you will wake up eventually because a time is coming when you'll see who the real enemy is and it will be too late but at least you'll know.
Religious fundamentalism is, and always has been, the real enemy.

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crashfrog
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Message 70 of 71 (214265)
06-04-2005 7:07 PM
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06-04-2005 2:13 PM


That is an evil lie.
Oh, really? All 100,000 Iraqi dead just happened, by sheer coincidence, to be terrorists?

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