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RAZD
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Message 22 of 68 (97705)
04-04-2004 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by mike the wiz
04-04-2004 1:40 PM


Re: The videos
You need to be careful about human skeleton similarities for a couple of reasons.
The 3.2 million year old skeleton of the Australopithecus afarensis
known as "Lucy"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/do74lu.html
shows very human skeletal structure to the average person, while a specialist will know that some bones are longer in proportion to others.
The other is a bit of circular reasoning -- if the skeleton is what defines the species as human ...

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Message 64 of 68 (216166)
06-11-2005 1:12 PM
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05-30-2005 10:52 PM


Re: The videos
prophex writes:
could not have been a slightly deformed human skeleton of some sort?
that was one of the early concerns voiced by (especially by religious) critics, but you also need to consider the skeleton within the framework of other fossils from the same time period, and these fit right in where they should have. further discoveries have only strengthened the assurance that lucy was a healthy female australopithicine, as they too are the same sizes and shapes as those of the 'Lucy' find. this is not a matter of being the {only} fossil representative, but the most complete skeleton (and thus avoids the criticism of combining fossils from several finds into a "chimera" composite).

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Message 65 of 68 (216294)
06-11-2005 9:52 PM
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06-03-2005 11:29 PM


Re: Lucy -- deformed? why conclude so
The Laetoli footprints found by Mary Leakey are from the same time period (3.6 mya) and match the footbones of other australopithicine fossils (though lucy is footloose)
there is a photo at
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/laetoli.htm

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