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McDozer
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Message 1 of 22 (21805)
11-07-2002 8:29 PM


Hi everyone! I'm surrounded by 80.000.000 Germans, most of which believe firmly in the theory of evolution, as that's the info they've been conditioned with since they were children. Now, I'm working on translating the book by James Perloff (or at least parts of it), but that's gonna take me a year by the rate I'm going. I'm no big scholar,
I'm a musician, happen to speak 3 languages, but maybe some of you more educated people out there could link me up with anyone or anything to help me? I was miraculously saved from a destiny of having to die unaware of the fact that behind such perfection had to be a Creator. Would you like to help me to do the same for others? I'd be extremely grateful! Looking forward to some more miracles, Dave
(Edited 11-09 - hopefully into such a state as to not arouse any further offense)
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"There IS no spoon!"
[This message has been edited by McDozer, 11-08-2002]

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McDozer
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Message 4 of 22 (21860)
11-08-2002 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Tranquility Base
11-07-2002 11:33 PM


Hey, thanks! AIG doesn't ring a bell though. What's that stand for?
Australian Institute Of Geo-Scientists? That's about the closest related indication I got from Google...
"Tranquility Base" as in "Boat On The River" by Styx?
Anyway, thanks again...

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McDozer
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Message 5 of 22 (21864)
11-08-2002 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by NimLore
11-07-2002 10:53 PM


Thanks, I sent them a mail... as far as openness towards Christianity from th gvt: I'd be VERY surprised. Some states are less anti-christ than others, but as a whole... ouch! If you look at the educational system & the media... Anyway, thanks for your swift reply & assistance! God bless! Dave

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McDozer
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Message 7 of 22 (21869)
11-08-2002 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Mammuthus
11-08-2002 8:23 AM


Well, sorry 'bout the maths... told U I was no great scholar... But at least I don't claim to be one & still suck at my spelling, nor do I feel as "mammothly" superior as to feel the dire need to put my fellowhuman's down. I haven't heard any myths from churches but I did find the Gospel, & I dare say that it's got more to offer in it's simplicity than he zillions of words of vain babblings, trying to confuse, mislead, discourage & put down others.
[This message has been edited by McDozer, 11-08-2002]

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McDozer
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Message 9 of 22 (21876)
11-08-2002 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Mammuthus
11-08-2002 9:09 AM


mothership, huh!? I bet you'd like that... One visible proof for God?
Lift up your hand & look at it! YOU try to explain to me how only one single cell could have "evolved" out of itsself & I'll believe you.
In fact, I'm NOT part of a church, & the reason why there's so many sects is the same reason for what I see happening here: It's the same story since the garden of Eden: Whenever something good is happening, 6 a bunch of people are happily enjoying the pure essence of their Creator, some SNAKE comes along to try to confuse them... Mothership?
BET you'd like that. John Paul Jones once said when he looked like he was losing the battle, his own arm nearly torn off & the enemy asked him if he was ready to surrender: "HELL, NO!!! WE HAVEN'T EVEN
BEGUN TO FIGHT!!!"
[This message has been edited by McDozer, 11-08-2002]

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McDozer
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Message 12 of 22 (21941)
11-08-2002 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Tranquility Base
11-08-2002 5:28 PM


Dear Tranquility Base, (remember, just a dumb musician, no scholar...)
thanks a lot for the information. Please accept my apologies if I should have offended you, I just wasn't ready for an "attack" from this side. To explain: I'm currently collecting info material on what you may call the "New World Order Conspiracy", & was just experiencing similar clashes with "defenders of the dark side", so to speak, especially on a German group. To settle the "mothership" issue once & for all: I'm German myself, so regards to your granny. I was a missionary abroad for 11 years 1980 - 91 & have experienced that Germans per se are generally a little more difficult to take (myself included) than some other nationalities & you might say even developed a dislike towards the hostile attitude of some. Personally, I still don't see the point in your friend's initial reply to my plea for help, as it was rather discouraging. Being entirely new to this site, though, I want to apologise & would just wish that only people would respond to posts if they have anything positive to contribute, instead of trying to hinder & discourage others. Maybe my initial choice of words was exaggerated & may have caused offense. I mean, I'm trying to get material in German to reveal information to them which at this point is not accessible. It's not the people I antagonize but the mental conditioning they (we) have been subjected to. many people don't realise this, but I personally believe that there are forces behind this misinformation. So, in hopes of a more peaceful future colaboration... and in the light of "Mammuthus" being your friend, apologies to him, as well, yours sincerely, McDozer
[This message has been edited by McDozer, 11-08-2002]

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McDozer
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Message 13 of 22 (21945)
11-08-2002 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Quetzal
11-08-2002 11:59 AM


Well, good to see that SOMEBODY'S getting a kick outta this. What happened to me @ the age of 12? I got laid! (No, kidding, that was a wee bit later)... Simple: I was converted from stout atheism & faith in the evolutionary theory to belief in a Creator.- That's all. (Sorry if I won't apologize for that, as I turned out HAPPIER that way -)

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McDozer
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Message 15 of 22 (21960)
11-09-2002 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Quetzal
11-09-2002 2:18 AM


I do admit, it was the choice of faiths that was the harder one to accept. Especially after having been brainwashed by teachers & books from "scientists", all claiming & demanding me to believe that "NOBODY DID IT! IT DID ITSSELF!"

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McDozer
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Message 17 of 22 (21966)
11-09-2002 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Andya Primanda
11-09-2002 7:55 AM


I don't agree with you, as far as the "faith" aspect goes, for I do believe that you gotta have some pretty crazy faith to believe that everything came from nothing by itsself (unless you've been indoctrinated with that faith from birth, like most of us have & thus it's really hard to swallow that you've been reared on a lie), BUT,
as I'm finding out that folks get offended sometimes, I will change my statement by saying that my "scientific" viewpoint of sympathising with Darwinists was replaced by those of Creationists. For sufficient evidence I can only point one to James Perloff's book "Tornado in a Junkyard", which quotes both, evolutionists & creationists & explains the latest findings on the matter... as far as non-scholars go.
If you don't have it, I can "lend" it to you via email.
Gosh, I though this was a Site of Creationists, but I must have got something wrong there...

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McDozer
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Message 21 of 22 (22398)
11-12-2002 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Mammuthus
11-11-2002 5:12 AM


Well, I obviously didn't really have a clue... in fact I'm pretty new to this whole "forum" thing in general. I personally don't like to spend a lot of time arguing on topics...
I do want to thank all those of you, though, who pointed me to different sites where I found some German material on the subject. It doesn't equal James Perloff's book in clarity & amount of quality info given in the least possible amount of words. but at least I now know that there is such a thing as a creationst movement in Germany, although it can't really be compared to its US counterpart, which they themselves admit. If anyone really wants to know about "the other side", though, I'll have future references to refer them to.
Thanks for that! Maybe I'll peak in here from time to time, when I've got some extra time to rap away... If anyone here should be interested in a WORD copy of the above mentioned book (excellent!) feel free to contact me... God bless y'all, Dave (McDozer)

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