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Author Topic:   Cambrian Explosion and Hydrosphere-Spending Hypothesis
benllinliu
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Message 1 of 28 (221274)
07-01-2005 10:16 PM


Mankind has been solicitous about the ascent of oceanic surface since middle period of 20 century, while it become warmer globally, and it became a fashionable topic in media movies and popular article.

However, some Chinese propose a new idea named ¡°hydrosphere-spending hypothesis¡± recently: Water in the hydrosphere of the earth is always spent in the evolutional process of the earth. For long time scope, instead of the ascent of the oceanic surface, the difficulty for mankind and whole biosphere is the decent of oceanic surface.

According to ¡°hydrosphere-spending hypothesis¡±, the process of losing water in the hydrosphere contains three main links:

A, the methane and oxygen are produced in the biosphere while the water is spent;

B£¬the oxygen is absorbed with interior substance of the earth in the process sea-floor spreading with the convection of earth mantle;

C£¬ the methane is decomposed to hydrogen by ultraviolet radiation of the sun, and then the hydrogen escaped to outer space with the factors thermal movement of hydrogen atom, earth rotation and pressure of the sun-light.

According to ¡°hydrosphere-spending hypothesis¡±, forepart of the earth was surrounded by water completely, no land basset out the surface of the ocean, though the lithospheres of continental type and oceanic type had existed.

According to ¡°hydrosphere-spending hypothesis¡±, Cambrian explosion was the period of corresponding to first land appears in the ocean. Biosphere became flourishing, and hydrosphere spending is also accelerated accordingly. It is estimated, the hydrosphere has lost two times water of that in the ocean nowadays.

You are welcomed to oppugn and renew ¡°hydrosphere-spending hypothesis¡±.


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Message 2 of 28 (221309)
07-02-2005 10:24 AM
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07-01-2005 10:16 PM


Much better opening post.
Now we need to decide where this would fit. Promoting to Misc.

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Message 3 of 28 (221312)
07-02-2005 10:24 AM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 4 of 28 (221818)
07-05-2005 2:30 AM
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07-01-2005 10:16 PM


Are you suggesting there was no land prior to the Cambrian? What about the Archean Witwatersrand Basin?

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benllinliu
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Message 5 of 28 (221999)
07-05-2005 7:53 PM
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07-05-2005 2:30 AM


Thank you for your post, I also am grateful to administor for his letter so that I know your post.

Yes. As I consider, there was not land in Cambrian too. I guess, The real land appeared after Cambrian Explosion about 30-60 million years.

I am sorry, I do not know much about "the Archean Witwatersrand Basin?". If possible, would you please describe the Basin and related facts? I also try to learn the related knowledge, so that further discussion can be made.

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Message 6 of 28 (222006)
07-05-2005 8:34 PM
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07-05-2005 7:53 PM


Some suggestions
I also am grateful to administor for his letter so that I know your post.

The notifications of replys to your posts are automatic. You may turn them off or leave them on as you wish.

I am sorry, I do not know much about "the Archean Witwatersrand Basin?". If possible, would you please describe the Basin and related facts? I also try to learn the related knowledge, so that further discussion can be made.

Once you have a name like that a good idea is to have a go at googling it. There is a very good chance that you will get useful information off the web and save yourself and others a lot of time. Then you may ask questions of those here who are more knowlegable in geology than either of us.


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Message 7 of 28 (222200)
07-06-2005 2:28 PM
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07-05-2005 7:53 PM


Mechum River Formation, VA
The Mechum River Formation in Virginia is a metasedimentary unit consisting of alluvium, glacial till, and rounded boulder conglomerate, all of which are very difficult in a marine setting. The rock is neoproterozoic, ~700 Ma. Google for more details, but here's a quick site:

http://www.wm.edu/geology/virginia/Mechum_River_Fm.html

Other info is here:
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/26/7/623

http://jsedres.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/44/3/862
I don't have access to this journal, but you may. Give it a try.


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Message 8 of 28 (222282)
07-06-2005 11:52 PM


ben, there are more subaerial PreC terranes than just the two mentioned above. I think you're going to have a hard time proving that part of your theory. I suggest you also look up the Mesoarchean Pongola Supergroup (South Africa), which underlie the Witwatersrand sediments.

These rocks may represent the oldest land mass on the planet.

Here's a good place to start: THE PONGOLA SUPERGROUP IN SWAZILAND by NOAH NHLEKO

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benllinliu
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Message 9 of 28 (222914)
07-10-2005 4:16 AM


the process is just carrying out.....
Thank you for your advise, and I shall learn the knowledge that you pointed.

Indeed, it is very hard to demonstrated "the hydrosphere spending hypothesis" according to the knowledge on the history of the earth.

However, the process of hydrosphere spending is a process on the march, which is just carrying out now. So, it can probably be judgeed by some modern determination.

For example, the escape of hydrogen should be a observable process.
We have proposed:

We suppose, the hydrogen in ¡°Geocorona¡± is produced from the methane when it is decomposed by the sun¡¯s ultraviolet radiation. According to the kinetic theory of molecule, the speed of hydrogen atoms is 4 times of that for oxygen at the same temperature, and it is close the escape velocity of the earth when the hydrogen atom is under circumstance of high temperature in the exosphere. ¡°Geocorona¡± is an obvious symbol of the escaping hydrogen, however, as our understanding, it is not equivalent to the main portion of the escaping hydrogen. The hydrogen would escape to outer space from the atmosphere through 4 steps within 24 hours as follows:

1, the methane diffuses up in the troposphere when the stratosphere becomes high at night;

2, the methane enters the stratosphere when the stratosphere becomes low at forenoon;

3, the methane in the stratosphere is decomposed to hydrogen atom by the ultraviolet radiation from the sun during noon. The decomposed hydrogen atoms can not escape away immediately because of the pressure of the sunlight, so the atoms will be gathered in stratosphere for a period;

4, the gathered hydrogen atoms escape to the outer space in dusk. The speed of the escaping hydrogen atoms is accumulated according to three factors: the kinetic theory, the pressure of the sunlight and the rotation of the earth.

The beam of escaping hydrogen should be not far from the equator as the earth rotating speed at the equator is fastest, so the escaping beam of the hydrogen should be round the equator, which can be called ¡°a arc escaping beam of setting sun¡±. Some part of the hydrogen with lower speed in the escaping beam would append to Geocorona, while the main part of escaping hydrogen would run away in the arc scaping beam of setting sun.

Since the escaped hydrogen atoms come primarily from the hydrosphere, so the residual oxygen would renew to atmosphere naturally as the water in the hydrosphere is spent away gradually.


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benllinliu
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Message 10 of 28 (222915)
07-10-2005 4:18 AM
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07-10-2005 4:16 AM


Re: the process is just carrying out.....
My English is not well, so I can not say these well.

I am soory.


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Message 11 of 28 (222947)
07-10-2005 12:51 PM
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07-10-2005 4:18 AM


Language
My English is not well, so I can not say these well.

I am soory.

You're doing just fine. I wish all our native born english speakers did as well.

You have descibed something that is definitely testable but I'm not sure the test you describe supports your overall theory.

Since the hydrogen atoms would be dynamic but their motion random, why would then not just recombine with oxygen and carbon to return to methane?


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benllinliu
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Message 12 of 28 (225079)
07-21-2005 9:00 AM
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07-10-2005 12:51 PM


Re: Language
Thank you for your post. i am sorry for answering later, since i am busy as an engineer these days.

"the hydrogen atoms would be dynamic but their motion random, why would then not just recombine with oxygen and carbon to return to methane?"

the problem is interesting.

Certainy, lots of hydrogen atom can recombine with oxygen. however, it can decompose to atoms of hydrogrn and oxygen again with sun's ray, when it under the sunshine.

the combination of the hydrogrn and oxygen should be more stable in the night, nevertheless, the lots of hydrogen atoms have escaped with tha ray of setting sun, as described previously. and some details will be posted in future.

you are welcome to discuss "the hydrosphere spending hypothesis"!

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benllinliu
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Message 13 of 28 (225424)
07-22-2005 7:16 AM
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07-10-2005 12:51 PM


Re: Language
Furthermore, the circumstance on upper atmosphere is very hot and very scarce, this make against the reaction of the hydrogen and oxygen to form their chemical combination.

Please point out the mistake of the hyfrosphere spending hypothesis, if any;

Please develop the hyfrosphere spending hypothesis, and introduce the hypothesis to the world, if it is on the correct direction for understanding our world.

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benllinliu
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Message 14 of 28 (235285)
08-21-2005 4:35 PM


E v C reported in China
The Controversy of Evolution versus Creation in US has been reported in China.

In China, Darwinism is ordinary mainstream. However, Creation theory is introduced simply in www in Chinese these days, such as
http://tech.sina.com.cn/d/2005-08-21/0815699225.shtml

whether Evolution or Creation, it must be long and hard topic in science.


  
benllinliu
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Message 15 of 28 (235287)
08-21-2005 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by jar
07-10-2005 12:51 PM


Re: Language
I find, Jar is just on line.

You are welcome to post on this topic.


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