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Author Topic:   The future of Creationism and mankind's intellectual evolution.
Chiroptera
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Message 15 of 30 (221332)
07-02-2005 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Fluke
07-02-2005 11:45 AM


Hello, Fluke.
It doesn't appear that your comments are directly relevant to the original post. The original post is asking whether or not we can expect creationism to disappear in the near future.
On the other hand, thanks for bring this thread up -- it's an interesting OP, and I may have some comments on it after I think about it for a bit.

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Chiroptera
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Message 22 of 30 (221422)
07-03-2005 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by randman
07-03-2005 2:54 AM


Re: in response to the 1st post
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Take the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics and other consciousness-based models.
Hello, randman.
The copenhagen interpretation is not a conscious-based model. The only "conscious-based models" I have heard of are advocated by New Age advocates, but these are definitely not mainstream science.
The confusion here is understandable. The Copenhagen interpretation (and other hypotheses) speak of an "observation" causing the collapse of the wave function. "Observation" clearly brings up the idea of a conscious observer, but very, very few physicists really believe that consciousness is required to bring about the collapse of a wave function.
No one knows why or when a wave function collapses into a particular state. "Observation" is simply the term used to describe this event, but no one really knows what actually constitutes an "observation". Roger Penrose in The Emperor's New Mind gives a sketch of some of his ideas on this, but it appeared to me to be incomplete.

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