Christian Group has bank account removed due to "unacceptable views"

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Homosexuality is a condition, not a race or an ethnic group, it's an aberration.

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So, if it's an "abberation" does that mean it's a variation in the species, perhaps?So, do you believe that people with genetic "abberations" should be considered unequal to those without said "abberation"?Do you consider blind or deaf people unequal to sighted or hearing people because of their "abberation", their "condition"?

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It's a matter of definitions and principles as I said, not actualities, which are always messy.

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OK, well, what is your definition of what a "natural" heterosexual family with children looks like?At what point does it become "unatural?"

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More like a genetic disease I would guess if genes have anything to do with it at all, which they may not.

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So, people you consider, due to your religious beliefs, are genetically inferior shouldn't be afforded the same Constitutional rights as Americans without this genetic variation?The Final Solution is just a hop, skip, and jump away from this kind of thinking, eh, Faith.

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Not as persons, but as qualified for certain functions, of course.

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So, do you believe that people with genetic abberations" deserve equal constitutional rights or not?

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No, a psychological aberration is in a different category from a physical problem.

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So, should people prone to severe panic attacks and anxiety be considered unequal to those who do are not because of their condition?

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Marriage is not a constitutional right,

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According to the US Supreme Court, it is:

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it is an ages-old intitution that transcends all political systems

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Agreed.

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and has application only to heterosexuals.

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No, it clearly has application to everyone, not just heterosexuals.Clearly, it has rather obvious application to homosexuals because many thousands of them are living as married couples do now, except that they are denied the rights that heteros are granted by the state.The state is secular. Your church doesn't have to marry anyone it doesn't want to. Keep your religion out of secular governmental business. Let people who do not believe in your religion be treated equally under the law as everyone else inastead of denying them equal rights.

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A natural heterosexual family with children has a male and female parent with heterosexual inclinations and children from their own heterosexual union. That's natural. Everything else is a deviation of one sort or another, some of them nobody's fault, but nevertheless not optimum, but the worst situation is one that pretends to a normality that doesn't exist.

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So, can you tell me when in history that it was common that a husband and wife alone raised their children?

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With respect to qualifying for a function that requires steady nerves, absolutely.

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So, they should be prevented from getting married?

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Look, I have NOT "analyzed the last century." I am confining my remarks to ONE particular trend, a highly identifiable trend, of explicit ideology-driven Sexual Liberationism which has had a destructive effect on the status of marriage.

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Thus, you are providing an analysis of the last century.a very biased, cherry-picked, incomplete one, but it is an analysis, nonetheless.

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I have not claimed that things were hunky-dory at any previous time. I haven't even MENTIONED *how things used to be* for that matter. You brought that up.

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But this was your implication, wasn't it? That sometime in the past things were "ideal"?When was that?

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My topic has been specific trends SINCE THE 60s. These are identifiable. They are the result of the specific LIBERATIONISMS that were aggressive, belligerent and vociferous starting in the 60s, all the "RIGHTS" movements -- Sexual "Freedom" in a variety of expressions including militant feminism, gay rights, and abortion.

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Abortion was legal in the US up until around 1900, although illegal abortions were frequent, just so you know.So it's been legal in the colonies much longer than it has been illegal.

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Divorce statistics started growing.

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...as women started gaining self worth instead of attaching their worth to the man they married.

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People started living together without marriage openly to an extent that had never previously existed. "Blended" families have become just about the norm by now. They were an oddity in the 50s.

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As many women were not content to be "happy housewives" on Valium anymore, traditional marriage and the limitations that entailed didn't work for them anymore. Now we have many more women in the workplace, running businesses, and contributing their considerable intellect to the culture.

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Promiscuity has escalated, and teenage promiscuity particularly.

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I think this has more to do with people waiting longer to get married, the advent of the Pill so women could control their own fertility, and also women have thrown off the oppressive notion that to have sex before marriage makes her a worthless whore.

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There has always been pre and extramarital sex, and unwanted pregnancies and homosexuals living together, and the whole works, but IT WAS NEVER SANCTIONED BY SOCIETY UNTIL RECENTLY.

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Marital rape was, until recently totally sanctioned by society, and specifically sanctioned by the Christian religion.Do you suggest that marital rape was OK because it was sanctioned for so long?

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Now it is all openly flaunted and made the subject of RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS ACTIVISM. THIS IS BRAND NEW ON PLANET EARTH. IT HAS NEVER BEFORE EXISTED AND IT IS WIDESPREAD, AFFECTS EVERYBODY.

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I had sex before I was married.How did that affect you?

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One thing I think may have also increased a great deal in this period is child molestations and rapes and sexually inspired murders but I don't know the statistics. Do you?

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Gee, until the sexual revolution in the 1960's brought with it a new opennes and frankness about sexuality, people pretended it didn't happen at all. We don't know how bad it was because it was too taboo a subject to even talk about.Oh, and rape was a woman's fault, too.

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You gave statistics that purport to show no big change from 1957 but that makes no sense. Something is wrong with that picture and I don't know how to track it down. In 1957 unmarried mothers were ostracized. There were a few in every high school, but they were whispered about. They often got married and hid their pregnancies somehow, or went away somewhere to have the baby and give it up.

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Yet a couple of decades later women were starting to openly SEEK to have babies without benefit of husbands and that's a trend that has been growing since. This is an ENORMOUS SEA CHANGE in the basic moral worldview of our culture.

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Less shame and a better standing of women without needing to be associated with a man to make anything she does legitimate is bad in what way?

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P.S. Demonizing patriarchy is part of what has given the current state of affairs its big boost.

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What is so great about patriarchy?

What I really want to know is what you think was so great about patriarchy.

So, do you believe that in an ideal society all women would be subservient to and obedient to all men?