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Monk Member (Idle past 3954 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
I agree that it should be discussed, as long as it is discussed in a scientific context. It should be explained that it is not science, because there is no eveidence to support it. They should explain the polatics involved etc. etc. We agree. The teacher should explain that ID, creationism, etc. is not science but part of many religious belief systems. There's no need to call it "bunk" or characterize it using any number of derogatory adjectives, any more than teachers should call Islamism "bunk". I believe it's sufficient to note that many people do not agree with all facets of evolution despite its scientific basis because of their religious beliefs. I believe this can be done without bringing politics into the mix.
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
ID is not scientific, and weakening K-12 science education is likely to have long-term deleterious effects on the economic competitveness and military technology and strength of the US. The latter especially needs to be pointed out to Republicans who regard themselves as "pro-military". I'm about as pro-military as they come. I believe your statement is completely false. How exactly is it going to have long-term deleterious effects on economic competitveness and technology? "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6526 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Well, I wouldn't go so extream as paisano, but ID does promote superstitious thinking over scientific thinking. Basicaly, it will promote bad science, and that's never good for technology.
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
And that's where we differ. I believe evolution is bad science. It is the most widely excepted theory based on the least amount of evidence (none). Fish magically turning into birds is pretty superstitious IMO.
"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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paisano Member (Idle past 6453 days) Posts: 459 From: USA Joined: |
Then you believe ID should be censored? Loaded question. K-12 science education should above all teach scientific methodology and reasoning. Where a body of facts is taught (which is secondary, IMO , to teaching the scientific methodolgy and reasoning), they should be drawn from areas that have substantial evidence and acceptance in the professional scientific community. ID does not qualify, thus is outside the scope of science education.
Ok, then what should the teacher say when kids ask about it? That it isn't in the syllabus and they will not be tested on it.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Hmm. I hear this a lot. You are welcome to join us in the science forums to try to explain your comment.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3954 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
That it isn't in the syllabus and they will not be tested on it. We may be posting past each other. Read my message Message 16. We basically agree, but I don't believe one sentence will be sufficient.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Please come across to the science threads and support that claim - otherwise make a statement such as "I am unable or unwilling to support this claim at this time".
This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 03-Aug-2005 02:01 PM This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 03-Aug-2005 02:02 PM
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4175 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Tal writes: And this has what, exactly, to do with the ToE? Fish magically turning into birds is pretty superstitious IMO. But that's a bit off topic I guess. The question is about ID Tal. How would you propose we teach it in schools? I think it would be a very quick lesson plan (Godditit) followed by a very short exam (Answer = Goddidit).
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
I have many times. If I read something new or have something worthwhile to add, I will.
"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
How would you propose we teach it in schools? I think it would be a very quick lesson plan (Godditit) followed by a very short exam (Answer = Goddidit). That's better than (dirtdidit) followed by a very short exam (Answer = dirtdidit). I'll give you a serious reply when I get home tonight. This message has been edited by Tal, 08-03-2005 02:13 PM "Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Oh, by the way, I just noticed your signature, Tal:
"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?" --Ann Coulter Nice touch -- mentioning oil and cocaine in the same breath. Kind of invites comparison of the current war in Iraq to gang wars waged to control the drug market, eh?
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
EDIT (this gets better and better)....
Why don't you tell our viewers at home to the nearest 10, how many posts you have made in the science forums? How many of those have been on topic?
The viewers at home may wish to play along with this game - click on Tal's name and see if you can find how many posts he has made in the science forums - See if you can get your answer to the nearest ten - A special treat for the viewer who can work out how many of those were off-topic This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 03-Aug-2005 02:30 PM
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6526 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Ann Coulter is a right wing blow-hard anyway.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3954 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Ann Coulter is a right wing blow-hard anyway. Extreme right wing, but entertaining nonetheless.
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