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Author Topic:   War in Iraq, is there a point?
Yaro
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Message 207 of 308 (236127)
08-23-2005 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Tal
08-23-2005 2:56 PM


Re: Popular Support
Why would Iraqis support that?
Beats me. Could be they hate us more than they do the "bad guys". It's the article that states:
According to the Boston Globe (10 June 2005): "a recent internal poll conducted for the US-led coalition found that nearly 45 percent of the population supported the insurgent attacks, making accurate intelligence difficult to obtain.
Note, the poll was done FOR the coalition. 45 percent ain't too unpopular if you ask me.

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Yaro
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Message 210 of 308 (236131)
08-23-2005 3:06 PM
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08-23-2005 3:03 PM


Re: Popular Support
Insurgency seen forcing change in Iraq strategy - The Boston Globe
The figure of 45% is mentioned on the second page.

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Yaro
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Message 217 of 308 (236144)
08-23-2005 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Tal
08-23-2005 3:21 PM


Re: Popular Support
It's apperantly a Boston Globe exclusive. Disregarding that, it is still well known that Iraq's Sunni population supports the insurgents. Here is the entire section with relevenat emphesis:
Iraqi insurgency - Wikipedia
Many Shiites and Kurds suffered heavy persecution under the rule of Saddam Hussein's regime, which may cause a reluctance to use violence against Coalition forces. This is in contrast to the more radical Moqtada al-Sadr, who draws his support from the lower classes, the uneducated, and the Shiite urban population. Both united, however, on the United Iraqi Alliance ticket that brought in the largest share of the votes in the January 2005 elections.
A series of several polls have been conducted to ascertain the position of the Iraqi public further on the insurgency and the Coalition occupation. All of the polls seem to consistently find the following:
* A large minority, if not a majority, of Sunni Arabs consider armed attacks on U.S. forces legitimate and justified resistance.
* The greatest support for resistance is in al-Anbar province.
* The majority of Iraqis disapprove of the presence of coalition forces.
* A majority of both Sunnis and Shiites want an end to the occupation as soon as possible, although Sunnis are opposed to the occupation in somewhat greater margins. [16]
Polls conducted in June 2005 suggest even more anti-occupation sentiment; most alarming to American policymakers is rising support for the insurgency. According to the Boston Globe (10 June 2005): "a recent internal poll conducted for the US-led coalition found that nearly 45 percent of the population supported the insurgent attacks, making accurate intelligence difficult to obtain. Only 15 percent of those polled said they strongly supported the US-led coalition."[17] Demands for U.S. withdrawal have also been signed on by one third of Iraq's Parliament.[18]
The numbers in brackts are foot note links which can be viewd within the wiki. The footnotes redirect you to the relevant sources. All of them are reputable mainstream newspapers and other publications.
It dosn't seem they like us very much.
ABE: I read somewhere online that the 45% figure related to the Sunni and Kurds and that the article is unclear on the issue.
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Yaro
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Message 224 of 308 (236154)
08-23-2005 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Tal
08-23-2005 3:39 PM


Re: Popular Support
One is an article from an Arabic publication.
Daralhayat.com
Another is the Boston Globe article.
The final One is an article from the Polling Firm Zogby International:
Homepage - Zogby

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Yaro
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Message 244 of 308 (236182)
08-23-2005 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Tal
08-23-2005 3:58 PM


Re: Popular Support
Note there is no poll in the Boston Globe. It just says there was a poll conducted by the military.
Yes, this is what I'm really curuous about actually. I wan't to see this poll. The globe is the only publication I have seen with this data. I also found it mentioned in the LA Times, but again they don't say where the poll is.
Not to discard it all together, would it be fair to say that such a poll would not be made public by the administration?
But I agree, if we only have one source, we cann't cite it as definative. But it is troubling to me that poll numbers IN GENERAL are so hard to find. I guess it's sort of hard to hand out questioneres in a war zone
We are talking about the number of Iraqis supporting the insurgency right? Not just the number that want us out?
Well, the question is, who would they rather have. Us, or the insurgents? It's an honest question, what's your opinion?

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Yaro
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Message 307 of 308 (236265)
08-23-2005 6:48 PM
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08-23-2005 6:28 PM


Re: It's witching hour folk
I'd like one. Despite the rest of the bickering, Tal, Monk, and a few others, were engaged in a rather inteligent discussion about facts and evidence.

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