War in Iraq, is there a point?

Oh wow, the guy with the power but benign motives is the threat, not the guy with the murderous motives and just barely enough power to kill hundreds of thousands of people. Typical leftist (un)reasoning.

Um, I'm with you FW. I think you meant to be attacking the same guy I was attacking.

You might try addressing what I actually said. I didn't bring up Asian banks, Bush, WMD or anything else, I called you on your perfectly stupid equation of power with evil. There is such a thing as good power. And I thank God we have it and not them because whatever our faults we ARE the good guys and always have been.This message has been edited by Faith, 08-22-2005 09:28 PM

Gad, "Imperialism" yet. You sound like a page straight out of the New Left Handbook for Blaming America First. They DID initiate that accusation and it was part of the strategy for their Marxist Revolution. I wish people would read up on the sixties instead of just swallowing it straight as it's being fed to you all now by the sixties generation grown up to become university professors.I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are sincerely misreading what was written. FW was talking about OUR children NOW having to feel afraid and how unfair that is, not that anything is "inevitable" but that the terrorist attacks were unprovoked attacks on us -- Americans were the victims and American children have had to be afraid because of their evil acts. There was no CONDONING of ANYTHING in that post, just a statement of how the victims have been made afraid unjustly and how our retaliation is just, which includes the recognition that it's only right that the perpetrators should be afraid instead of the victims -- because they ARE the perpetrators -- and if they were afraid that might keep them from doing more harm.

Yup, these guys are LEFTISTS with a capital L, and most of them don't even know it. They've bought the straight Communist line though they think Communism is dead. The portrait of America they've bought was consciously propagandized BY the Communist Party in this country in the 30s and later by their children, the New Left of the 60s. Wish we could shake some sense into them.

I wasn't going to join in this thread because I haven't followed all the arguments pro and con the war, but then it looks like I'm not in much worse shape in that regard than most others here, and the conservative side can always use all the help we can get. However, I am a reader of David Horowitz's Front Page Magazine and they are always running articles, mostly opinion but usually with many references, on the Iraq war, so I would recommend going there for the conservative, or Neo-Con view of the war: David Horowitz, Why We Are In Iraq Symposium, Guerilla War in Iraq?And more where those came from: GOOGLE SEARCH: "Why war in Iraq" Front Page articles only

America always has operated from noble motives more than any other nation on this earth, but here we are smeared as having nothing but evil motives instead. They can't even seem to IMAGINE noble motives, even noble motives while possibly being WRONG, which could raise useful criticism, but no, on the Left it's all straight-out Hate America condemnation, and they really don't have any idea where they got it either. I have to admit that I have not agreed with Bush from the very beginning that democracy is possible in Iraq. All the celebration about the election just seemed futile to me. Sure there are Muslims who want democracy, and nice to see that there were so many, but as long as enough of them would rather have fundamental Islam and are willing to die for it I think it's a lost cause. I agree with you that we haven't taken a hard enough stand. If THEY want democracy fine to help them, but if WE have to make it happen it isn't going to happen. From my point of view Bush got off on the wrong foot when he declared Islam a "religion of peace." Declare some Muslims peaceful, fine, and after 9/11 I understand why he wanted to support American Muslims, but Islam is both a religion of peace and a religion of murder and simply to call it the one and ignore the other is as good as inviting more terrorism.This message has been edited by Faith, 08-22-2005 10:28 PM

Your post is absolutely devoid of content. I have no idea what you are saying. I feel exactly the same way about our institutions as you describe. They've been bastardized by the Left. But I suppose you HAVE the Leftist view of them.

If there was anything in my post that raised a doubt about my support of our troops or our action in Iraq let me quell it. Not being behind Bush's hope of establishing democracy doesn't mean I don't support the war in general. In fact I think we should probably have been more forceful in various ways.Yes, the terrorists take any lack of support for our actions as weakness, but then they take even civilized restraint as weakness. That's one good reason to hit them hard if we want to discourage terrorism.

What name calling? Your post is about as low as it's gotten I'd say. There's a big difference between criticism and ideological hate and I made that distinction so spare me your self-righteous lecture.

That says it exactly, Steve.

It lives among us. It is supported by our Leftists both directly and indirectly as they attack everything the US does. It crosses our open borders every day. It is waiting for its opportunity. If we don't stand against Islam in whatever way we can, we will become subject to Islam.

THERE's the problem in a nutshell. Every generation since the sixties has been fed more and more of this anti-American New Left propaganda as the sixties generation moved into teaching roles at every level of the education system. At least you consciously chose to be a Communist. Most others are simply indoctrinated and they know not what indoctrinated into.This message has been edited by Faith, 08-23-2005 02:00 PM

Meaning really, if I may translate, based on what leftist teachers taught you. I wonder how much of the other side of the questions you've ever been exposed to.This message has been edited by Faith, 08-23-2005 02:17 PM

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