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RAZD
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Message 7 of 42 (247818)
09-30-2005 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Omnivorous
09-30-2005 3:11 PM


Re: Gorilla Tool Use
Saw the news on this and was going to start a thread... ah well.
I find this tool use to be pretty much at the limit of definition of a tool, imho.
On crows, was it you that posted on the crows using cars to crack nuts (placing them in intersections when the lights were red in the paths of the stopped cars and waiting until the next cycle to eat the results?)

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Message 9 of 42 (247822)
09-30-2005 8:15 PM
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Re: Gorilla Tool Use
What impresses me is that it shows an understanding of consequences, it is behavior based on predicting results.

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Message 15 of 42 (247849)
09-30-2005 10:08 PM
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09-30-2005 9:17 PM


Bird highs
I have seen a number of species, including crows
You might look into mating display flight behavior as an impetus. Ravens are also known to play in the updrafts of cliffs.
Of course all it takes is one bird with a near escape and getting that adreneline rush ...

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Message 28 of 42 (248081)
10-01-2005 11:27 PM
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10-01-2005 4:42 AM


Re: Car Surfing
... tap-tap-tap at the back door ...
Now, if you hear one say "nevermore" ....

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Message 42 of 42 (253141)
10-19-2005 5:39 PM


New update
from
Scientists Study Gorilla Who Uses Tools (CNN News Story)
An infant gorilla in a Congo sanctuary is smashing palm nuts between two rocks to extract oil, surprising and intriguing scientists who say they have much to learn about what gorillas can do - and about what that says about evolution.
It had been thought that the premeditated use of stones and sticks to accomplish a task like cracking nuts was restricted to humans and the smaller, more agile chimpanzees. Then in late September, keepers at a Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund International sanctuary in this eastern Congo city saw 2 1/2-year-old female gorilla Itebero smashing palm nuts between rocks in the "hammer and anvil" technique, considered among the most complex tool use behaviors.
In an e-mail message Monday from the Republic of Congo's Nouabale-Ndoki National Park, Breuer said that in 10 years of observation, his team had seen only two instances of tool use among gorillas - in one a stick was used to test the depth of a pond and in another a small tree trunk was used for support and as a bridge.
Breuer said it was difficult to compare the behaviors his team had seen in the wild with the more complex behavior exhibited by Itebero, who had had contact with humans. But Breuer said Itebero's action "clearly shows that gorillas have the capability to use sophisticated tools even if they do not - or rarely - do this."
"Very often the use of tools is triggered by certain needs and it seems that gorillas have only little needs to use tools in the wild," Breuer said.
More for the mill.
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