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Author Topic:   Biblical Literalism: Can it be true yet symbolic?
iano
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Message 28 of 64 (262273)
11-22-2005 6:07 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by ringo
11-21-2005 7:53 PM


Ringo writes:
That doesn't follow at all. If one thing He said was true, that does not in any way authenticate anything else that He said. If I say the sky is blue, does that "automatically" make everything else I say true?
a) that's not a prediction
b) if it was a prediction as to tomorrows sky colour, it wouldn't be a particularily noteworthy one
If you were to predict a sky tomorrow which was coloured green and big red and blue polka dots on it that would be more in keeping with what Herepton was talking about

People who think they have all the answers don't usually understand the question

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Message 32 of 64 (262432)
11-22-2005 1:28 PM
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11-22-2005 11:17 AM


Suppose I do predict tomorrow's weather accurately. Does that mean you'll accept everything I say from now on?
No, but if you promise to rise from the dead and do the I would be very impressed with you indeed

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Message 42 of 64 (262650)
11-23-2005 9:05 AM
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11-22-2005 8:23 PM


Ringo writes:
You're welcome to believe that it does, but logically it doesn't.
Presumably two predictions of any kind doesn't logically infer infallibility. Nor 3,4,5,10,1000,1,000,000. Infallibility is logically impossible.
Logically however, cows, given sufficient leg muscle and a desire to do so, can jump over the moon. So I wonder if logical is the measure with which we should be measuring.
Maybe probablility would be a better tool to use to weigh things up
What is the probability of someone predicting day of death, the form of death, the duration for which they would be dead and that they would rise again after that time. It would be easier to pick winning lotto numbers I imagine.

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Message 47 of 64 (262819)
11-24-2005 6:56 AM
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11-23-2005 7:52 PM


Crash writes:
(Cows jumping over the moon) There's no physical way that muscle tissue can store that much energy; there's no physical way that a cow's skeleton could survive an acceleration of that magnitude. So, logic checks out, as near as I can tell.
What your saying is that it is a physical impossibility. This is true. But I didn't say it was a physical possibility but a logical possibility. Logic possibility is not = to physical impossibility
(The thought of cows being accelerated at vast rates of changes of speeds is somewhat amusing when one considers the physical side of things)

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Message 49 of 64 (262888)
11-24-2005 9:55 AM
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11-24-2005 9:23 AM


Crash writes:
And I'm saying it's not a logical possibility. Logically, muscle can't store that much energy; logically, bone can't withstand that stress. These are simply not properties that, logically, muscle and bone possess.
You're misunderstanding the area that logic deals with Crash. You are inserting the word "logically" in here when the actual correct word you need to use is "physically". Insert and read and you will see that that is what you mean
Physically not the same thing as logically. Logic in this case deals with if/then/or/and/nor/not statements. It doesn't care whether it is physically possible for those statements to be true.
IF the muscles were powerful enough AND the cow felt the urge THEN the cow would jump over the moon.

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Message 51 of 64 (262912)
11-24-2005 11:18 AM
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11-24-2005 10:49 AM


Is an if/then statement a logical statement?

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Message 53 of 64 (263033)
11-25-2005 5:34 AM
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11-24-2005 8:37 PM


So, is there anything wrong with the logic statement IF muscles AND desire THEN cows will jump over the moon?

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Message 55 of 64 (263062)
11-25-2005 10:56 AM
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11-25-2005 10:21 AM


Hpw about this one: IF muscles AND if will AND if evolutionary progresses enough THEN a cow will jump over the moon.
Remember before answering, the relative progression that evolution has made from single celled organism to cheetah

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Message 58 of 64 (263076)
11-25-2005 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by nwr
11-25-2005 11:21 AM


Re: OT: jumping over the moon
nwr writes:
If the cow hide could somehow resist burning up, the velocity attained would be very near escape velocity from the earth, and it is likely that it never would come down again. So it wouldn't really be jumping over the moon.
Cows have, were it to evolve sufficiently, a methane powered directional thruster rocket at their...er.. disposal
But I take you point re: topic

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Message 62 of 64 (264051)
11-29-2005 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by arachnophilia
11-26-2005 12:39 AM


Re: OT: jumping over the moon
Some simple evolution could sort that out. Udders that can get pumped up to ginormous proportions. Is methane lighter than air? If not there is the alternative : the same methane powered booster rocket I referred to before could be deployed VTOL style

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