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Author Topic:   Biblical Literalism: Can it be true yet symbolic?
Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 23 of 64 (262062)
11-21-2005 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
10-08-2005 6:26 AM


Re: What is the real definition of Biblical Literalism?
I DO believe that Jesus is alive today and that He is more than a historical construct. I DON't believe in a 6000 year old earth, a global flood, or a literal Methuselah who lived 969 years. (Well, Methuselah may have been a literal person but he did not live 969 years.)
If Jesus is alive then the Resurrection miracle is true. The Resurrection miracle was predicted by Jesus PRIOR to his death. Therefore, if true, THEN everything else Jesus said must be true since a prediction of a Resurrection miracle automatically makes everything else He said supremely reliable. Jesus was a descendant of Adam (1Chronicles genealogy; Matthew 1; Luke 4; Genesis 5 connects Adam with Noah). Also Jesus by inference said Genesis is true and written by Moses.
Phatboy: Darwinian evolution is groundless; the Emperor has no clothes; anyone who says he does is suffering the Romans 1 blinding penalty by God for denying Him Creator credit. You believe Jesus is alive then good. The remainder of the data cannot be discarded because it exists in a source by which you accept Jesus alive.
Ray

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 34 of 64 (262535)
11-22-2005 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by ringo
11-21-2005 7:53 PM


That doesn't follow at all. If one thing He said was true, that does not in any way authenticate anything else that He said. If I say the sky is blue, does that "automatically" make everything else I say true?
It does follow because the issue is the prediction of a resurrection miracle. How many people predict their death AND resurrection ?
If it did happen (and we know it did) THEN everything else Jesus said is true also.
Ray

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Message 35 of 64 (262540)
11-22-2005 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Phat
11-21-2005 5:07 PM


Re: What is the real definition of Biblical Literalism?
I cannot blithly accept that many notable scientists and intellectuals are simply "blinded"
Comment assumes the atheists at issue would accept evidence for God. The evidence proves they won't and will utilize all their ability to suppress it.
The blinding is corroborated by the fact that the Emperor has no clothes. There is no evidence for macroevolution, except by assumption. Assumptions are not evidence. Macroevolution is one of two most extraordinary claims of all time, yet all the "evidence" is by assumption AND the fear of speaking up and saying the ToE/Emperor has no evidence/clothes.
The blinding penalty drives the assumption; the blinding penalty exists in the same context that the world accepts the existence of Christ on and all that He said.
My up-coming article will show how YOUR view (TEism) leads the way in suffering the penalty. Either way the Bible is/will be proven true.
Ray

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Message 37 of 64 (262566)
11-22-2005 8:30 PM
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11-22-2005 8:23 PM


You can repeat it as often as you like - it still doesn't follow. One successful prediction - of any kind - does not guarantee infallibility.
You're welcome to believe that it does, but logically it doesn't.
Yawning in response to the most extraordinary claim of all time and the ramifications shows how unreachable/illogical you actually are.
Ray

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