Tower of Babble (a bunch of baseless babble)

Next question:Let's rephrase: "Why didn't God laugh the whole Tower of Babel thing off and continue with whatever He was doing beforehand? Why doesn't He react the same to modern skyscrapers and other such endeavors?"A lot more was going on than what has already been mentioned. One individual who is not mentioned in the Bible at all (though not directly) is Nimrod's wife, Semiramis (aka Semiramide, Shamiram, Sumuramat, Shairam, etc.) Though I'm still trying eagerly to piece together the events, this is what I've gotten so far: Semiramis and Nimrod become romantically involved, with Semiramis as Queen and Nimrod as king. Semiramis and Nimrod somehow reinstitute a new religious system amongst the masses in order to get them to believe in him as the promised Messiah of Gen. 3:15. Part of the tactic used is corrupting the original Zodiac and calendar system and reinterpreting it for their cause thereby creating astrology. As this is going on, Semiramis goes behind Nimrod's back and hook's up with a guy named, Ara Geghetsik. Nimrod dies (not too sure how yet, though speculating Semiramis probably had him bumped off one way or another). With Nimrod dead, Semiramis proposes marriage to Ara, but Ara backs off since he is already married. So Semiramis kills off Ara as well. Going back to the public, Semiramis now has to explain Nimrod's death, considering that they see him as the Messiah... and that she is now pregnant with Ara's baby. Having already established herself as "Queen of Heaven", Semiramis now says that Nimrod's spirit ascended to a star in Heaven and that the child she will soon give birth to will be Nimrod reborn into the world. (This pregnancy puts Semiramis into fertility goddess mode, hence Venus of Willendorf and Ashteroth for example)... Now this is where it gets sketchy, especially trying to figure when and how Nimrod died, because it's uncertain when the languages split up and how they correlate with which of the 2 Nimrod's is being talked about when a reference mentions how he/they died (Juansher's
Concise History of the Georgians, The 2 Babylons by Alexander Hislop, etc.)... With the split of the languages, the various religious worldviews and achievements as a people split as well, which is why many of the ancient people's had plenty of similarities (compare Sumerian and Egyptian beard, bows and arrows around the world, earliest 2D art and relation to alphabet, burial customs, etc.)...So why didn't God just laugh the whole thing off? Why doesn't he go haywire in regards to modern skyscrapers? I'll leave the answer up to the reader...The final question asks why the Chinese did not mention the collapse of the Tower of Babel in their chronicles. Somes sites that I've kept tabs on in relation to this, though haven't done any extensive research about, are:
Huang Ti Chinese Writing and the Postflood Settlement of China
- v07n4p24.htm - Huang Ti Chinese Writing and the Postflood Settlement of China
Chinese Pictograph Characters - http://www.creationism.org/chinese2.jpg
There's another article from a link that is gone out of date called, "Genesis According To The Maio People", which does chronicle the flood, tower of babel, and history of the people from thenceforth. If I can remember (going to bed soon), I'll retype and post it up on a Geocities link.
Finally there are the writings of Dr. Ethel Nelson, who is considered an expert on this subject.

The main reason that God had a problem with the tower of Babel is the mindset that the builders had, they were building it for impure motives, today buildings are built to serve as buildings only, they are not built to try to reach the heavens.

That's an idea, however, with the knowledge that we have today, we know that if we build a tall tower we would obviously not reach heaven, the Babylonians literally thought that heaven was in the sky. Now i'm not here to argue where heaven is b/c that is an entirely differenty thread, but we could never recreate the exact circumstances of the tower of Babel. I also infer from your post that perhaps you do not believe in the existance of the God of the bible, because of this, you would not be building a tower to reach God, but to disprove him, and the bible clearly tells us not to test the Lord our God, because His ways are not our ways and great is the mystery of Godliness.

Hi all, been folowing this thread a while, and something occurred to me that I thought I would like to ask, although I am sure it's been asked on another thread, so feel free to redirect me.What you are talking about is proving somewhere along the way that the tower of babel existed, and is the biblical reason for humanities diversity of language, right? And if it didnt exist ti goes a long way to disproving the accuracy of the bible as an historical document. So I was wondering about the recent ideas about there being no record of the Eygptians using jews as slaves. In which cas all the stuff about Moses etc is suspect as well. Since it relates to the babel idea being historic i feel it's quite relevant and I'd like to hear other peoples opinions.CheersRab

Absence of evidence is, at best, only weak evidence of absence. However, there are other threads in The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy where the Exodus account is questioned. Take a look at Exodus Part Two: Population of the Exodus Group..

Great answer.So it was a question of intent, not one of structure.Now what do you say of the NASA space program. The clear intent is to reach the heavens. By putting men on the moon, they succeeded. Why would God allow that to happen, if he was so offended by the intent of the builders of the tower of Babel?

Because man wasn't literally trying to reach God or set himself up in heaven. He was merely trying to reach the nearest satellite. Same answer as the skyscrapers really.And thank you for the guidance to other threads.

"Absence of evidence is, at best, only weak evidence of absence."Isn't that argument something that an evolutionist could say? And yet all of the Creationists clamour for evidence to prove the ToE. If this is your defence for there being no proof of slaves in Eygpt it would seem a rather flimsy one.What do you want, complete evidence to prove ToE or would you be happy with "absence of evidence....."This message has been edited by RobertFitz, 12-03-2005 12:17 PM

Hi, RobertFitz. And welcome to EvCforum.A clarification is due. I am not a literalist defending the idea of slaves in Egypt. Rather, as a scientist, I am pointing out the weakness of your particular argument. Your conclusion might be correct, but it needs more evidence than you provided.A suggestion to you on quoting. If you use [qs]text to quote[/qs] that will show up as By the way "qs" stands for "quote shaded".The "peek" button can help you see how others format their messages. help link for "dBCodes" at the left of the edit box provides a list of other options.

We are missing the point here. The Babylonians literally thought that they would build a tower to God. Scientists and astronomers and anyone else who studies space are not looking for God, they are looking for life or anything else that might be found. the motives of NASA are not to reach heaven (the heaven where God is, the afterlife heaven).

I'm sorry, but what is ToE, i've been trying to figure it out but i can't. Thanks for your answer.

ToE = Theory of Evolution.

Because the Tower of Babel was a religious object designed to reach to God. Height isn't the point, motive is. The same idea continued in many human-originated religions, and is still shown in the Mayan and Aztec ruins of places where they performed human sacrifice to the gods. Modern skyscrapers don't have a religious motive. Never occurs to anyone that God did this and many other things for the protection of humanity, does it? By scattering the people away from Babel God kept them from developing a powerfully evil religious system that would only put humanity on a par with the fallen angels. That's also why He closed Eden to them and put the flaming swords to guard the Tree of Life, lest they take of it and live forever the way the devils do, destined only for eternal suffering. He hoped to preserve humanity and eventually save many from such a fate.

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Basically, I have no interest in hanging out on this thread and debating with people predisposed not to accept something if it involves the Bible, but I will provide an answer to the OP and 2nd post. If anyone wants to argue about it, I really don't care to waste time doing that. Haven't read the whole thread either, btw.The Bible says they could reach into heaven. No doubt that would not be possible from just a skyscraper, but how could this story be true then? Quite simply, if left to their own devices, they would have figured out God's principles, and since God endowed mankind with certain God-like abilities in creativity and thought, being created in His image, man would have found a way.The believer sees this and has no problem with it. The unbelieving mind has a problem with it. It's set up that way. You can always look at something with faith or doubt, and much of the time, either one can appear reasonable to the person depending on what perspective they adopt. That's a pretty stupid comment since language is part of ethnicity, and the people divided into tribes as a result of the confusion and thus different groups separated.Now to the question of why God did this. He did it because they were in violation of His purposes and commands, and did not want them to gain access to certain levels of knowledge while in an evil state.This message has been edited by randman, 12-03-2005 04:35 PM