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Message 1 of 159 (268207)
12-12-2005 1:56 PM


since it seems that there is some misunderstanding as to how common ancestors are defined and how they "share traits of their progeny" and so forth, perhaps we should have some clarifying discussion.
bio i spose.
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From Carico in Message 85:
It doesn't explain how the "common ancestor" got the traits of a human, or where it came from, the incalculable mutations that would have had to have occur by chance in the myriad of generations of apes, what this "common ancestor" looked like, or if it even existed at all! If you're going to say that this "common ancestor" just appeared, then why not simply believe that God created humans? What other explanation for our miraculous life can there be except from a miraculous source?
now, i'm sure carico isn't the only one with this misunderstanding. so, one: where do common ancestors come from? two: how did they "get" human traits. three: any other thoughts?
i'd like to see comments from evo people as well as more questions from creos. but can we please keep it an honest question and answer session and not a "but god said 111!!!oneonewtfbbq". if you want to understand evolution's position more, great. if you just want to berate our heresy, save your fingers.
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Message 3 of 159 (268224)
12-12-2005 2:18 PM
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12-12-2005 2:01 PM


better?

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Message 6 of 159 (268273)
12-12-2005 3:20 PM
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12-12-2005 3:08 PM


it's nice to get people who are willing to honestly recieve information. hopefully someone will jump on this for you. any info i could give would be elementary at best. it's been a few years since i was a bio major and i'm sure much has changed since then.

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Message 61 of 159 (269081)
12-14-2005 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by arachnophilia
12-12-2005 11:22 PM


what better way to describe the evolution of great apes other than a little trip through spidey's family tree, fuzzy bitch.

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Message 62 of 159 (269087)
12-14-2005 12:03 AM
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12-12-2005 11:35 PM


And since there is a natural sperm barrier that renders it impossible for primates and humans to interbreed, then again, we cannot possibly be the descendants of primates.
you know what i'm starting to wonder... have you tried it? cause i don't think anyone has.

“I asked for the vegetarian."
"Ah, yes, the vegetarian, yes! There we go, Mr. Hitler. There we go... Like a bit of wine? Thank you very much...you Nazi shithead!"

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Message 63 of 159 (269092)
12-14-2005 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by arachnophilia
12-13-2005 2:31 AM


he seems to be having a lot of trouble with chimps and humans.
watch his head explode.

this is a tarsier. he's a primate.
two eyes. a nose with two nostrils. a mouth with different kinds of teeth including canines and incisors. ears on the sides of his head, not the top. opposable thumbs. a spine. elbows that bend in. knees that bend back. a tail bone (very scant tail though). hair. mammary glands. damn cute, too.

this is a ring-tailed lemur. ever watch zoobomafoo? he's a primate too.
these are both primitive primates. they're most likely the type of critters larger primates developped from. how do we decide this? we look at similar characteristics and genes and decide that more similar things branched away from the common ancestor later than less similar things. ever see a phylogenetic tree? here's the one for primates
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“I asked for the vegetarian."
"Ah, yes, the vegetarian, yes! There we go, Mr. Hitler. There we go... Like a bit of wine? Thank you very much...you Nazi shithead!"

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Message 72 of 159 (271664)
12-22-2005 10:21 AM
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12-22-2005 10:11 AM


my milkshake
that i did not know. see? they're closer to us than even i thought.

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Message 142 of 159 (272955)
12-26-2005 6:45 PM
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12-26-2005 4:42 PM


Re: cat cat cat cat
mud fence, cunt face. tomato tomahto.

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Message 143 of 159 (272958)
12-26-2005 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Carico
12-24-2005 4:40 PM


Re: Your logic fails the test. You are therefore wrong.
So then why haven't humans changed into a different species since the beginning of recorded history? Why are apes, dogs, cats, etc. still the same since the beginning of recorded history? Maybe the former apes just got tired of mutating. What an amazing coincidence that they simply stopped changing into new and different species since there have been witnesses.
well. why don't we start a thread about changes in modern humans since the beginning of recorded history. it'll be hard, but i think we can manage it.

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