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Message 53 of 159 (268974)
12-13-2005 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Percy
12-13-2005 10:41 AM


Re: What Evolutionary Theory Actually Says
It does appear the fossil evidences support both Adam and Eve is the common ancestor going back to Africa. I'm in agreement with Percy that the evolution theory says there is no evidence of a first human "meaning" an (Adam an Eve). The creationists theory disagrees with what the evolutionary theory actually says based on scientific evidences. The scientific evidence of Mitochondrial Eve or Chromosomal Adam goes contrary to the evolution theorists beliefs.
The Iraq dispersion of the human race occurring after the flood, is in agreement with the African origin of the human race (Adam and Eve).
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Locating "Adam" and "Eve"
The rate at which polymorphisms develop though generations is known. Scientists can determine the number of polymorphisms in a certain population, as well as how many polymorphisms exist between different populations. In 1987, Mark Stoneking and Allan Wilson at the University of California, Berkeley, announced they had tracked down mitochondrial "Eve". By examining polymorphisms contained in the mitochondria, they were able to construct a global family tree. At its top branch was a woman who lived in Africa many years ago.
The next place to start looking for patterns of heredity was on the Y chromosome. Y chromosomal "Adam," the ancestor of all men, was determined in 1997. Two different research groups, led by Peter Underhill at Stanford University and Mike Hammer at the University of Arizona, each announced that Y chromosomal "Adam" had also lived in Africa many years ago. This is the most recent common male ancestor to all men in the world.
http://www.freemaninstitute.com/RTGdna.htm

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Message 55 of 159 (268999)
12-13-2005 8:43 PM
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12-13-2005 7:52 PM


Re: Many Years ago?
Ned, Theological evidences about the unclean and clean is kind of moving off topic. It would be interesting how the Jewish diet by not consuming unclean creatures thats known scientifically to affect mutations rates compare with the African Adam chromosomal and Eve's michondrial evidences.
If the mutations rates are higher because of Michondrial DNA not shared thus not self corrected through natual selection. Its not satisfying theologically the Jewish 10 generation rule for mutated genetic information being purged out of a protected genetic gene pool.
I agree that accelerated mutations would scientifically suggests just the opposite of what the evolutionist theorist believe.

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Message 57 of 159 (269016)
12-13-2005 9:21 PM
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12-13-2005 8:49 PM


Re: Many Years ago?
Ned, At the end of the thread was a map giving the evolutionists belief in years.
If accelerated mutations occurring in respect to michondrial Eve and not self correcting how does that support evolutionists theorists beliefs?
The Jews were a protected gene pool, the 10 generation rule applied, but only applies in respect to natural selection.
Heres another link of science supporting the theological in respect to purging genetic mutations out of a protected gene pool. Its a short article about the science of the breeding of Samoyeds.
RbE - removed exceedingly long and nonworking link... please try again - The Queen
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Message 59 of 159 (269032)
12-13-2005 10:03 PM
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12-13-2005 9:38 PM


Re: Many Years ago?
Ned, It does appear that creationists believe in accelerated mutations brings Michondrial Eve to around 6,500 years. It all goes back to the theological evidence of the Jew their kosher diet.
The kosher diet would affect Michondrial Eve mutation rates but not affect purging mutations out of Michondrial Eve. Do you agree?
Thank you for showing the creationists too agree that the mutations for Michondrial Eve were accelerated.
P.S. I agree other factors like male sperm michondrial at times slip through but its the totality of the evidence that supports Eve was our common ancestor.
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