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Author Topic:   Help me understand Intelligent Design (part 2)
Nuggin
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Message 160 of 173 (272008)
12-23-2005 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by randman
12-22-2005 11:44 PM


Re: ID is the Missing Link
Obviously, you haven't been paying attention. The evidence for ID is all the same data used for evolution. The difference is the data does not fit evolutionary models, but fits ID.
Randman, that's bullshit, and you know it.
In order for it to "fit ID" there has to be a methodology that it fits into. You (and the rest of the ID supporters) have not given that methodology.
You say the fossil records support "sudden appearence". So let's use that at a model.
Please explain the METHOD by which sudden appearence takes place. Please explain the MECHANICS by which sudden appearence takes place.
Show how the fossil record demonstrates either of these.
You can't. Not because it doesn't, but because it can't support them. Why? Because there is no "method" or "mechanics" behind ID. It's junk science. It's a half formed hypothesis - it's not even interally complete.
The problem is that if evolutionary models are true, you should have tens of thousands of archies, and you do not
First off, this is a gross misunderstanding on your part. But let's assume that you are right here - that is NOT EVIDENCE FOR ID.
One theory being wrong is not evidence FOR a competing theory. It's evidence AGAINST the first theory.
Example:
You think cars work on magic. I think cars work on hamster power. Someone shows us that there are no hamsters in cars - that doesn't mean that cars work on magic.
Now, I know that people have been over and over and over the "lack" of fossil thing with you. But, if you like, we can take that to a new thread and I can explain in great detail why your expectations about the fossil record are frankly very silly.

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Nuggin
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Message 162 of 173 (272043)
12-23-2005 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by randman
12-23-2005 12:47 PM


Re: ID is the Missing Link
Darwin did not understand the method of genetics
Darwin understood heredity, which is all that's needed to express ToE. Can you go into more detail about DNA and gene mapping, yes. Do you have to? No.
ID doesn't have the equivelent of heredity. It doesn't have the basic method by which these creatures spontaneously pop into existance. Let alone any proof of any animal anywhere ever popping into existance.
In other words, we see things "poofing into existence" all the time since virtually everything stems from this quantum state.
Excellent. I suggest you set up a series of boxes and check them regularly. As soon as a giraffe appears in one, you'll be ready to publish.
We see a constant process of moving from an inherent design into physical form, all the time.
Can you demonstrate this in reality? Can you create an experiment which tests this? Or is this just an existential theory?
Aspects of the deeper reality, the superpositional state, we cannot measure, but we can take measurements that show it exists since the measurements or even the potential for measurement (delayed-choice experiments) cause one state or another to form out of the superpositional state.
But what makes one potential existance more likely than another? What choices potential existance X instead of potential existance Y? I suggest that that "choice" is made by natural selection.
Therefore, you've just done a nice job reaffirming the Theory of Evolution.
Thanks

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Nuggin
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Message 166 of 173 (272205)
12-23-2005 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by randman
12-23-2005 1:57 PM


Re: ID is the Missing Link
Yes. It's been done successfully for over 80 years. The classical double-slit experiments demonstrate this, as well as the variations of it called delayed-choice experiments.
Wow! Fantastic! And here I thought that the double-slit experiments demonstrated particles with different trajectories.
Could you point me to a good article on how the double slit experiments spontaneously created wholely autonomous animals out of nothingness?

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Nuggin
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Message 167 of 173 (272206)
12-23-2005 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by randman
12-23-2005 1:52 PM


Re: ID is the Missing Link
Fact is Darwin was wrong on heredity.
Last time I checked, offspring inherit features from their parents.
I suppose ID has some other explaination?

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