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Author Topic:   Help me understand Intelligent Design (part 2)
DBlevins
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Message 59 of 173 (263602)
11-27-2005 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Lizard Breath
11-27-2005 4:52 PM


Re: Most Faith
Considering that 400 million years ago the planet was completely covered in ice in a run away ice age and even at the equator the ice on the oceans was 18 feet thick. The only life that survived was some algea that recieved just enough sunlight through the thick but unusally transparent equatorial ice. So in just 400 million years, life has successfully mutated from algea to humans who build space shuttles and Cray computers is quite amazing.
There are a few things wrong with this argument.
1) The evidence points to two or more neoproterozoic iceages. One about 700 Ma, labeled the Sturtian. Another at around 600 Ma, called the Marinoan, or Varangian. There might have been two more, one before these two and one after. The Jury is still out about this.
2) Not all Geologists subscribe to there being a "snowball" earth. I believe that Joe Meert is one of those who believes the evidence is still lacking. (I only know this because it was on my Geology notes, imagine that )
3) There are a few issues that still need to be resolved before we can safely conclude that there was indeed a "snowball" earth. One the existence of cap carbonates, which only form in tropical waters. Two, aragonite crystals on the seafloor, indicating abundant CO2 in the atmosphere. Three, evidence of multiple glaciation expansions on the Arabian Peninsula. If it was truly a "snowball" earth, then there wouldn't be a record of multiple glaciation expansions. Four, the ice would likely have been fractured by tidal forces. Finally, the "snowball" earth hypothesis needs to account for the survival of life in an ocean covered by ice.
4) Where do you get your information that the oceans 400 Ma, or even 700 Ma, were occupied only with algea? There is plenty of evidence that metazoans were around at those times.
5) Do you have any idea how LONG 400 Ma is? It defintly is long enough to account for the diversity of life we see today.
6) Oh yes, I almost forgot. That is what I would call a red herring.
But it is more plausible considering the mathmatical odds of so many beneficial mutations happening in a row and not being snowed under by all of the non beneficial mutations that happened along with them.
After all your time here and all your posts you still don't understand how mutation works? You continue to repeat the same tired old mathematically inept excuse for an explanation for the incompleteness of evolution that your beginning to look incompetent, ignorant or both.
Besides the shear number of beneficial mutations that is required to get from algea to an intellegent human being is uncalcuable.
I can only assume you meant "incalculable." Of course, you would still be wrong, even though the number of steps to get from one to the other may be extremely large. Just don't forget you're not throwing away every transition just because it don't look quite human yet.
Consider that the 30,000 genes in a human alone are multifunctional and not singular in purpose, you still need the creation of raw information in the DNA to get from photosynthesis to the ability to visulize in 3D.
Have a few questions to ask here. You're telling me that we came from algea? Are you saying that no other eukaryotic cells exist? Can you tell the difference between a mitochondria and a chloroplast?
Enough for now, I think.

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