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Stephan Jay Gould's article on evolution as a fact and evolution as a theory:
http://www.freethought-web.org/ctrl/gould_fact-and-theory.htmlWhile absolute proof of the fact of evolution is not achievable, the evidence is very strong in favor of it.By a vast consensus, scientists accept this vast evidence as being valid - they accept evolution as being a fact. If these scientists are the jury, the Hovland challenge has been met (proven to beyond a reasonable doubt).Hovland, however, lets some small minority opinion cause a hung jury. Thus, to him, there is no definitive judgment, and the fact of evolution is not proven.MooseAdded by edit (2/4/06) - The above link is no longer good. The same material is available at many sites, including:
Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
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[This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 01-10-2002]This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 02-04-2006 05:31 PM

Possible difinitive proof of the fact of evolution?How about if the buildings of all anti-evolutionists are simultaneously struck by lightning (just to get their atention), and a loud, booming voice is heard world wide, saying "Evolution is a fact, you dunderheads!'. Moose------------------
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Possible difinitive proof of the fact of evolution?

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How about if the buildings of all anti-evolutionists are simultaneously struck by lightning (just to get their atention), and a loud, booming voice is heard world wide, saying "Evolution is a fact, you dunderheads!'.

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Although that could be conceivable as a goverment effort to cover up the weakness of the theory of evolution. Still Moose------------------
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Although that could be conceivable as a goverment effort to cover up the weakness of the theory of evolution.

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Still Moose

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But an effort of that magnitude and complexity would seem to require inteligent design. That would seem to disqualify the government as having pulled it off. Guess I'd have to default back to believing that it was indeed God's voice. Moose Moose Moose Moose Moose Moose------------------
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

Perhaps the important question is, how many of this silly posts do I need to do, to get elevated from junior member to regular member.Which reminds me, does anyone out there remember the Bill Cosby routine, of Noah talking to God? You've probably guessed it, Moose------------------
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Originally posted by joz:
joz:
It is also worth noting the april fools hoax he fell for....
http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.htm

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I thought it was pretty funny as is but the thought of Dr Dino falling for it really made me laugh....

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TC
--Just wondering, where is the rebutal?

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You need to see a rubutal? For that?

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The rebutal:
http://www.nmsr.org/april_fool.htmlMoose------------------
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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My concern is that the use of the word "fact", as used by others ( Schraf & Moose), is synonymous with the
creation "science" usage of "fact", ie. any old bollocks. (pushing guidelines, Percy, I know), when the word "fact",
doesn't mean this to most people. Science should use the word as a surgical instrument, not a blunt cudgel.

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I prefer to think of the proof of a fact as being like proof of guilt in a U.S. court of law:It is a fact, if found to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. By that measure, evolution is a fact, to the mainstream scientific community. In such a context, the anti-evolutionist (creationist) view would be looked upon as being unreasonable doubt.As opposed to Gould's view, there is opinion on the Talk.Origins Evolution: Fact and Theory page, that concedes that there is a gray area between what is termed a fact and what is termed a theory. Percy has previously touched upon this same thing somewhere (maybe or maybe not in this topic string).I would, however, be willing to concede that the "fact" of evolution is indeed "only" a particularly well supported part of the theory of evolution. That is, a very strong sub-theory, within a larger strong theory.To me, the evidence within the geologic column is extremely strong evidence. Now all I need to do is drive a stake into the heart of the anti-uniformitarianism movement, and get the "flood geologists" to concede that there is no physical evidence for the "great flood" having happened.Mooseps. to paraphrase Bill Cosby's Noah routine:Mark24: "Moose."
Moose: "Yes, Mark."
Mark24: "Don't use a blunt cudgel."
Moose: "Riiight. What's a cudgel?"

Beware! Beware!The British are coming! The British are coming!The sovereign state of U.S. stupidity is being invaded from overseas.Mobilize the armed forces. Moose------------------
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

I just stumbled onto this at http://bibleandscience.com/index.htm :UPCOMING CREATION DEBATEDr. Stephen C. Meyers will be debating Dr. Kent Hovind on February 23, 2002 from 2 to 4 PM. The debate is at East Juniata High School, RR 2 Box 2411, McAlisterville, PA 17049. It is about one hour northwest of Harrisburg.New Directions: From I-81 Harrisburg, take Rt.322 West. Take the Thompsontown/East Salem Exit. At the stop sign, turn right on to Rt. 333. As you travel on Rt 333, it changes to Rt. 235. Follow 235 North into McAlisterville (6 1/2 miles from exit). At the square in McAlisterville, you will come to a traffic light. Turn right on to Rt. 35 North, and follow it for 3.4 miles to East Juniata High School which is on the left. A Good News Lutheran Church is on the right.Topics for Debate:
1. What does Genesis One mean?
2. Literal interpretation of the Bible, especially Genesis One.
3. Inspiration of Scripture: Is the Bible scientifically accurate?
4. How old is the earth or universe?
5. Was there death before sin?
6. Was Noah's flood local or global?
7. Are dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Moose------------------
BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

Someone has posted this in a message at the Yahoo branch. It's a mp3 file of a Hovind debate. The file runs 29.8MB, which would take lots of hours to download on my personal slow internet connection. http://www.infidelguy.com/Pigliucci_Hovind_debate_32kbps.mp3It looks to be a fairly low sample rate file, which should be OK for speech. I suspect the audio may run an hour or more.Perhaps someone with a fast internet connection could download this thing, and somehow post some smaller soundbites?Moose------------------
BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Originally posted by redstang281:
The website describes how you can do it.

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All you have to do is prove evolution is fact.

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http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=250k

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Bump Moose------------------
BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

I'm not one to repeat gossip, so you'll have to read it right here the first time.Quoting from a topic at CreationWeb
http://www.creationweb.org/viewtopic.php?p=856#856

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Every one's good pal Kent got arrested for burgulary, assualt and some other nastiness. From super fraud to multiple felon in a few easy steps.
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/...02/Record/Index.shtml

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I've made no effort to confirm if the referred to is "the" Kent Hovind.Moose

Kent Hovind has been the topic for a bit, at the "Whats the creationists thought on this?" topic, the current message being at:
http://EvC Forum: What's the creationists thought on this? -->EvC Forum: What's the creationists thought on this?It's off-topic there, but gives me an excuse to bump the main Hovind topic.Moose

Just adding a note that back in message 3, I have supplied alternate links to the Stephan Jay Gould article on evolution as a fact and evolution as a theory. The link I originally posted is no longer good.Also, please note that the bulk of the previous messages in this topic are from 3 plus years ago.Moose