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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design in Science Class - Sample curriculum please
ReverendDG
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Message 43 of 108 (293505)
03-08-2006 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by inkorrekt
03-08-2006 8:54 PM


Re: Occam's razor
There are many processes that can never occur without a designer. I will have to repeat what I said before. We would have never had the apple computer, if Steve Jobs did not exist or if he did not design or for this reason, no one designed it. This is self explnatory.
its not explanatory, you are making the same fault filled arguement that everyone on the ID side makes, computers do not reproduce, humans do not design things that reproduce.
You are equating human design to living things, it is of course because its the only thing we can analyze because there is no way to detect if something living is designed, unless we know it is, we know human things are designed because we can go look in a factory or see it marked on the object
where is the mark to know life it designed?

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ReverendDG
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Message 50 of 108 (302285)
04-08-2006 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by inkorrekt
04-05-2006 10:22 PM


Re: ID in History class!!!!!
I liked the idea the prof had at ku, before ID nuts beat him up
it should fall under a religious exploration class, rather than a science class.
as i said before, if ID was in science this would be how it would go.
day1: "today class we will discuss Intelligent design, first it is an unknown,undetectible,unexplainible proccess produced by an unknown enitity, most likely god, with no way of detection or explaination that evolution or abiogenesis can't explain, yet it is right
day2: "as we have finished with ID lets move on to the flying spegetti monster, who created pirates and midgets and beer"
Evolution is only a philosophy based on naturalisnm. How does evolution fit in Science class?
it fits very well since, you can explain things with it and has evidence, it is not a philosophy, it is a theory and we see it happen every day

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ReverendDG
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Message 65 of 108 (304456)
04-15-2006 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by inkorrekt
04-15-2006 12:48 PM


Re: Links to other site's ID curriculum, if you can
Regarding teaching Science,there was a recent news article: A Science teacher showed an antiamerican video in a Tax funded public School in a Science class. There was an outcry from the parents. The parents were informed that action was taken only to pacify the parents. The teacher is still enjoying his freedom to teach non academic subjects in Science classes. Non academic subjects can be taught everywhere whereas any challenge to Evolution is not allowed.
link please for this

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ReverendDG
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Message 70 of 108 (304587)
04-16-2006 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Modulous
04-15-2006 3:33 PM


Re: Link?
Thanks Mod
I just find claims like that strange so i wanted some real info since sometimes people do tend to read them a certain way

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ReverendDG
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Message 74 of 108 (308068)
04-30-2006 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by inkorrekt
04-30-2006 5:45 PM


Re: Links to other site's ID curriculum, if you can
Children will believe anything that is taught.In the public school, they have been taught (brain washed) that Evolution is a fact.
baseless claim, science classes teach what is considered the theory that science has shown to be correct
. The outcome is that our students do extremely poor in Maths and Science. On the other hand, in private schools and even home schools where they teach CRITICAL THINKING, students do far better in MAths and Science when compared to the brain washed students in the public schools.
another baseless claim, and a non sequitur at that! Could it be that rather than evolution be at fault it could be a general disintrest in science and math? Rather than blaming something that doesn't have anything to do with how education works, you could understand a fundimental problem with education.
that is, people do not want to have progress or teach children things they do not understand, that includes evolution, physics, higher maths and better understanding of english.
that is why public schools are terrible not because of some theory but peoples overall fear of science
as for private schools, they have more free-rein with students and not as many ignorent parents, so you can stop with this baseless arguement
home schooled children can be as stupid as public school children if the teacher is a moron too, and critical thinking is non-existant there too
Why is this?
ignorant parents, and school boards that crumble to them
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ReverendDG
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Message 78 of 108 (308669)
05-03-2006 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by inkorrekt
05-02-2006 9:18 PM


Re: Links to other site's ID curriculum, if you can
Teaching of evolution has nothing to do with the performance in Maths. I want the students to learn what is evolution.Issue here is not what is taught. But, how it is taught. When the teacher emphatically states that EVOLUTION is a fact based only on the premise that facts will not be presented,but are presumed as facts.
ok now you are just backpedaling, YOU brought up the corralation that evolution affects children's ability to learn math and science. you just made a huge strawman and now you are contradicting yourself.
evolution IS taught in science classes as the scienctists are theorizing in the ToE. Evolution is a fact, no scientist doing science will deny this, unless they have some reason to do so that has nothing to do with science. what facts are you talking about? do you have any evidence that teachers are not presenting studients with facts?
You can say anything about private schools. The taste is in the pudding. For learning mathematics and Science, the teachers must encourage critical thinking.
this has nothing to do with private schools and more to do with the teachers they hire and how much crap the parents can whine about, private schools are supported by people who arn't ignorent, public schools arn't
you are making corralations between things that have nothing to do with eachother and passing it off as fact
The best way, Science can be taught is to allow students to make Critique of what is being taught. The questions: Why should it be this way? why not the other way? If only students atre given this opportunity, they will certainly develop logical reasoning on any other topic, not necessarily related to the studies. But, this applies to everyday issues in life.
they can do this, this doesn't mean they can just argue that evolution is wrong, because they don't agree with it. But the fact is you are not being remotely realistic at all.
Part of school is learning how to learn so they learn what the current scientific theories are, so later in life if they decide to go into science they can take what they learned and come up with a better theory if there is one.
Finding a better senario with evidence is how we should do things not just dismiss it because we disagree with it
This is a serious flaw and a defect which is being perpetuated by the School administration all over the country.No wonder our students are one track minded. This is why we need school choices.
blame the parents and the goverment for making the school admins break down to their wishs, this has nothing to do with science or evolution, but corrupt politics and fear of progress

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