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Asssuming you consider the nascent 'conception' (zygote) a complete person and accord it all the same rights. Oh, and don't some conceptions also happen by 'forceful means'. I ask you this: Who is most justified in deciding what pregancies to carry to term if not the one person with the biggest investment in the whole project - the mother. If not her, then to whom would you defer this decision ? Because by trying to deny her the right to a decision, you are 'de facto' making it for her.

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If your mother came to you and said, you were almost an abortion, wouldn't that affect you?

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It would explain a lot of things.But no, not really, I don't think. It would be irrelevant to me now.If she had aborted me, I would never have existed to think about it, would I?It would sort of be like asking me how I would feel about it if my mother and father had not created me, but had instead created a different person with a different egg and different sperm.It's a strange non-answerable, irrelevant question.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-19-2006 08:01 AM

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I would really respect all of those who are for abortion much more if they would just admit that life begins at inception,

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Inception just means "beginning", so saying "Life starts when it begins" is really a meaningless statement.Do you mean "life begins at conception"?OK, then, if you believe that life begins at CONception, then do you suggest that IUD's and other forms of birth control which prevent implantation be banned, as they essentially give no place for this "life" to embed itself?Also, since many, if not most, fertilized eggs never implant and are therefore flushed out of the body during menstruation, do you suggest collecting all of the monthly discharge of all women and search it for the fertilized eggs?I mean, it surely seems that you are saying that these fertilized eggs are precious life with just as much right to protection as a newborn infant.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-18-2006 10:57 PM

One of the great arguments for choice is that all women are born with approximately 50,000 eggs. Are all these eggs supposed to become fertilized? After all, each one is a potential life. Are all men supposed to save all of their ejaculations so that each one of those 50,000 eggs may have a chance to create a life?In other words, when, not if, the technology exists for each of those 50,000 eggs to be brought to term, would every woman be forced to have 50,000 children? I say let those who propound such beliefs be legally forced to care for and pay for each and every one of those 50,000 kids.

50,000[kids] X 9[monthes] = 450,000[monthes]
450,000[monthes] / 12[monthes/year] = 37,500[years]
I dont think women live that long. Thank you - its what i have been trying to say.

Better make it clear, as in artificial wombs.

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Thank you - its what i have been trying to say.

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You're welcome. I was pretty pleased myself when I cam up with that example.

Oh, OK.

That's pretty silly jar.

There is no difference between interupting life in the womb, as interupting life of say a 5 year old. The second a sperm makes it in.Isn't that what people who want a baby so bad and can't have one (in some cases) pay big bucks for? Isn't that the magic moment? There are people who jump off cliffs, and do not wish to get hurt, there are people who drag race, and don't want to die doing it, there are people who shydive, and hope their chutes don't fail.But with those examples, they are playing games with their own lives, which is a risk you take. This doesn't stop from whats going to happen, from happening. Then don't mention it, because here I are. That is not an answer to my question. Abortion promotes unwarranted sex. Hey we can screw all we want, without having any reprocussions!It's all about selfishness, and this world being out of control. I just don't like the path it is going down. It has nothing to do with God really. We lose all respect for life, and the process that got us here when we do things like this.But on the other hand, the only good reason I have heard so far for making abortion legal is that people will get abortions anyway, and they will be much worse if it's not legal.So where in the pregnancy do you draw the line?What to you is the gift of life?

Aren't there cases when they remove life support, and the person continues to live?I think the brain dead example is not a good one. People who "become" brain dead, are done so by outside forces. If I caused it by shooting someone in the head, then I would go to jail.

To be fair, rr, what you said was equally silly.

You are not reading this thread, or the other one. I am pro-choice.You are free to decide if you want to have sex or not.

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Abortion promotes unwarranted sex. Hey we can screw all we want, without having any reprocussions!

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Yeah, because having an abortion is so much fun that I have gotten preganant 13 or 14 times just because I LOVE having abortions!

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There is no difference between interupting life in the womb, as interupting life of say a 5 year old.

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Then we'd better start putting hundreds of thousands of girls and women in prison, or executing them, for premeditated, first degree murder then, correct? That includes your girlfriend, and you, too, as an accessory to murder.But hold on. I thought you said that life begins at conception, not implantation. Which is it?

I don't think so. It's the truth.People want to have sex, without the reprocussions.It's so plainly obvious that intercourse can cause pregnancies.
It is plainly obvious that with a sperm enters an egg, it is a precious moment that starts life.This is a fact. People who want to have a baby, are absolutly changed when that precious moment happens. For them, if some outside force was to interupt that process, then they would want legal action.It's all about selfishness. It's a regretable action to abort a baby. I would respect everyone more, if they would just admit that.