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Why was Cain's sacrifice unacceptable?

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02-27-2006 10:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 4 by arachnophilia
02-27-2006 3:19 AM

Cain and blood offering
Actually Cain did bring a blood offering which was totally rejected, rejected for all time. That is why ever since that day, you can't get blood from a turnip.
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But back to why one offering was rejected, as mentioned, the difference seems to be the sincerity of the two. No where in the Bible is it really made clear, and yet you would think that outlining the steps for making a proper offering would have been really important.
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That omission makes one wonder if that was really essential to the story or whether the whole story of Cain & Able was actually about something else.
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Since the Garden of Eden/Adam & Eve tale is the older of the two Creation Tales in the Bible, it's possible that in this tale we are actually seeing a reference to the conflicts between the settled farmer and the nomadic herder. This could be a rememberance of the Good Old Days following the herds that were killed off by agriculture.
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Message 84 of 227 (302138)
04-07-2006 5:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 82 by ringo
04-07-2006 4:33 PM

Preach the Gospel Brother.
God sent His Son to tell us that we don't have to pay the fine.
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It is not Jesus death that is the sacrifice, but Jesus life.
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Hallelujah Brother preach that Gospel, sing out the Good News.
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Message 117 of 227 (304936)
04-18-2006 9:59 AM 		Reply to: Message 115 by jaywill
04-18-2006 7:23 AM

Re: Jesus' life - not His death
You quote Ephesians 2:11-16 but don't include verses 17&18 for some reason which say:
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17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
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He came and preached peace to you.
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It is his life that is the message, not his death.
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Quotemining is the work of the devil. Read the whole book. Ephesians, like Romans, is one letter. It's a shorter one, divided into only six chapters not 16, but it is still one letter. To understand what Paul is saying in it you really need to read the whole thing.
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Message 121 of 227 (305074)
04-18-2006 10:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 120 by jaywill
04-18-2006 9:52 PM

Re: Jesus' RESURRECTION life - AND His death
He preached peace all throughout his life John. He is the Prince of Peace.
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And once again you are but quotemining. Worse than that you are pulling passages, not even from the same damn letter, totally out of context to try to support your earlier quotemining.
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I think you should follow your own advice.
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Well, John, if you will check my posts here at EvC I think you will find that I am constantly suggesting to folk that they read all of the manual, and not just lines here and there.
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The whole Bible speaks to the fact that it is Jesus life that is the important point. Jesus became MAN, and one point about being man, is that you will die. Sorry, but if Jesus had not been crucified, he would have died of old age, sickness or accident.
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It is the Live that counts. Christianity is a religion of Life, not death.
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The Great Sacrifice is GOD becoming man, with all of the limitations that implies.
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Message 127 of 227 (305102)
04-18-2006 10:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 123 by jaywill
04-18-2006 10:36 PM

Tree of Life
John, no one has said that Jesus resurrection is not important to Christianity. But Jesus would have arisen no matter how he died.
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Jesus was killed by men. That was very likely based on the message he brought, the message of his life. Jesus would have died no matter what. He was human. Jesus would have arisen. He returned to GOD.
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But the message is his life, death was but part of living.
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04-18-2006 11:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 130 by jaywill
04-18-2006 11:10 PM

Re: Reconciled through death, saved in His life
Read what you post.
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"For if we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son,

much more we will be saved in His life,

having been reconciled"
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And once again you are but quotemining. Romans is one letter. For convenience and aesthetics, it is broken up into 16 Chapters, but it is still all one letter. In it Paul returns again and again to the message that it is behavior that is important.
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Christianity is a message of life, of love. You keep trying to drag us off into totally unrelated issues. The question was, "Why was Cain's sacrifice unacceptable?"
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The answer is, No one knows. But it has NOTHING to do with Jesus, nothing to do with the crucifixion, nothing to do with the resurrection. All of these are but dancing goal posts you bring in when you don't like the answers given.
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You seem fixated on Jesus crucifixion. But if Jesus came down and became man, he was going to die. If GOD wanted to forgive sins, becoming man and killing himself and arising from the dead is just plain stupid. GOD could forgive mankind simply by forgiving mankind. GOD does not have to sacrifice himself to himself to do that.
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GOD became man as a message. He became one of us, lived and died as one of us, taught us how we should live, showed us that life everlasting is a reality, told us what we needed to do.
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Love GOD and love others as we love ourselves.
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It really is as simple as that.
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Message 146 of 227 (305389)
04-19-2006 11:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 145 by jaywill
04-19-2006 10:59 PM

Quotemining again...
but you missed
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Matthew 11:14-19
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14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15He who has ears, let him hear.
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16"To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others:
17" 'We played the flute for you,
and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge
and you did not mourn.' 18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."
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Message 154 of 227 (305643)
04-21-2006 9:29 AM 		Reply to: Message 153 by jaywill
04-21-2006 9:18 AM

Quotemining again.
Let's look at that part of Acts.
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Acts 2:22-24
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22"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
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Little different than what you posted. When you include verse 22 you can see that the emphasis is on Jesus life, not his death. In addition, it says that Jesus was handed over to you with foreknowledge, that GOD sent Jesus as a message to all, and that the foreknowledge part is not related to sending Jesus.
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