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Topic: Does God = Allah
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 8 of 302 (306664)
04-26-2006 8:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Heathen
03-02-2006 5:17 PM
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From a linquistic point of view, the term Allah is a word that means god. Arabic Christians refer to god as Allah also. It is just the generic term for God.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 109 of 302 (306959)
04-27-2006 7:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
04-26-2006 6:34 PM
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Re: Either one or none is true.
No, The Jews do not deny god. They Deny that Jesus is either a God, or the 'only begotton son' of god (which is better translated at 'the beloved son' anyway. You see,the New Testament says Jesus is the son of man. The Old Testament says that god is not the son of man. The Jews believe in God. They just don't believe in YOUR god, because to proclaim a man to be a god is idolotry.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 110 of 302 (306960)
04-27-2006 7:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 84 by Phat
04-26-2006 7:17 PM
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Re: ???
The Jewish conception is that you beleive are you worshipping the one true god. For god, that is good enough. I personally don't think that any entity as powerful as god is going to worry about what magic words, and what silly rituals are used to acknowledge him/her/it. Those are for the insecurities of man, not the glory of god.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 111 of 302 (306961)
04-27-2006 7:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 88 by Faith
04-26-2006 7:31 PM
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Re: checking again.
Not in my belief. The NT is just a collection of books, written by man, not inspired by god at all. The Tankah stands on it's own. It is full of rich tradition, and provides a roadmap for getting closer to God.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 147 of 302 (307155)
04-27-2006 5:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 137 by Faith
04-27-2006 2:26 PM
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Re: checking again.
Have you ever heard the allegory of the 3 blind men and the elephant?
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 148 of 302 (307158)
04-27-2006 5:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 145 by great1
04-27-2006 3:59 PM
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Re: Bible and Koran?
Where does JESUS say he is the only son of god? On the contrary, he specifically says 'My father and your father', and 'you are all gods'. The terminology he uses says we all our the children of God. In Psalms of David, 2:7, David is called 'the son of god', because of his actions.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 177 of 302 (307280)
04-28-2006 8:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 165 by Buzsaw
04-27-2006 9:44 PM
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Re: Buz Belated OP Response
Likely it was inspired, but by a different/opposing spiritual entity than was the Bible.
Funny, I feel the same way about the New Testament.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 271 of 302 (307690)
04-29-2006 9:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 251 by Faith
04-29-2006 2:36 AM
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The contradictory written accounts of God amount to worshiping a different God. If one has a Son who is equally God with Himself but the other has no son, if one chose Isaac to father his chosen people and the other chose Ishmael, these are two entirely different Gods.
Why? The trunk of the elphant is not the tail.
"What really happened" or what God is cannot be known apart from the written revelations of his character. If they contradict each other, they cannot all be true. We worship God as having the charater that is taught in these revelations, so if we are worshiping the false description we are worshiping a false God.
Why? The leg of the elephant is not the ear. We are just blind men feeling at an elphant.. and can not see the totality. The road into a city looks different coming from the north side of the city than the south side.. but they both end up at the city. Why do all men's perception of God have to be the same? Why must follow the same path to God?
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 286 of 302 (307752)
04-29-2006 3:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 274 by Faith
04-29-2006 1:26 PM
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Re: The name El for God
And did you know that each one of those was a different god in the Urgartic bible, which predatexs the written genesis by 800 years? The ancient hebrews used names that were familar to them, and declared all these various different gods were actually one god. Yawheh of the borg.. they have been assimulated. In the original urgartic pantheon, Yahweh was the son of god (el).
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 287 of 302 (307753)
04-29-2006 3:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 275 by Faith
04-29-2006 1:31 PM
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Re: The parts-of-an-elephant model is false
Is it? I happen to think you are trying to make a distinction that isn't there. Doesn't an ideal father love all his children equally?
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