Does God = Allah

By that logic, wouldn't the new information from someone like David Coresh supersede the Koran?

oh, it might help if I read more than the last post ABE:So, at some point you gotta decide who was really talking to god and who was crazy. If Mohammed implies or claims to be talking to the same god that Jesus was, then they are the same god but if you are Christian you’d believe that Mohammed was crazy (not literally, of course, but in the sense that he wasn’t really talking to god) in the same way that I think David Coresh was crazy.This message has been edited by Catholic Scientist, 04-26-2006 07:36 PM

I agree with most of what you typed, except.. The problem I have is that if Islam teaches that Jesus was not the son of god and christianity teaches that he was, then they can't both be correct. They could still be of the same god, but one of the interpretations has to be wrong (in the case of Jesus' divinity for example). In some aspect, they are mutually exclusive.

I thought you typed that you thought all three religions were correct.

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But the issue is not which religion is correct, IMHO all three are, but is the GOD the same one throughout.

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I agree with what you typed except the part about all three religion being corect. Yes, I think they are the same god but Jesus really talked to god and Mohammed was crazy (not literally, of course). I think you do have to draw the line somewhere.

I agree with you in this sense that the religions can all be correct when stripped down to their basics. But some of the specifics of them contradict each other. Now, I agree with you that the basics are what’s important, but I think some of Jesus’ teachings would go against your beliefs. So I disagree with you that some of the specifics are not important. Like: I think it does matter if Jesus really is divine and I think his teachings reflect that.(I’m at work right now and don’t have time to dig through a bible to quote passage though so I can’t really support this claim right now if you disagree) I don’t think that you have to believe in Jesus to go to heaven though. I don’t really know what you mean by being the reality of GOD. I wouldn’t put any limit on god.

Because that’s the one they believe, it’s the one they think is most right, or only right, and it’s the one that makes most sense to them. Its possible. In my experience, I was raised catholic but in college I was atheist while learning science and I explored a bunch of other religions. When it came down to it, I thought Jesus’ message was the right one so I called myself a christian again. Then I said, well, I was raised and confirmed catholic so I guess I am one. I think they do entertain other things as being remotely correct. And like I replied to ar, when you stripp them down to the basics, the religions are very similar, its just when you get down to the gnat’s ass that you start getting the contradictions.

Having contradictions in the religions doesn’t make them worship different gods. If Islam claims that it is worshiping the same god as Jesus but Jesus was not his son, then they could be worshiping the same god and just be wrong in that claim. I don’t see how their misunderstanding automatically makes it a different god.

Very well put Modulous, I totally agree.As a christian I worship the god of the jews who provided us with a new testament through Jesus and I don't think that Mohammed was an authentic prophet.

This is why I think they can be the same god just that 2 of three have some wrong ideas about god. I don't see why being wrong about god makes it a different god, it could still be the same one.For example, lets say that someone claims to have a revelation from god that is the same god as Jesus but they are god's second son. If I don't believe them and remain christian, that doesn't mean I'm worshiping a different god, it means that I think they are wrong about god. Its not that it is a different god.

Why can't you just stop at different ideas of God, and leave out the part of them being different gods. I still don't see why they can't be the same god just that some people are wrong about him. Its not that god has lied its that man is wrong about him, or man has lied. The god could be the same the whole time while man has all these misunderstandings about him. The misunderstnadings don't make it a different god. And the Muslims that say that Jesus is not god are not worshiping a different god they are just wrong about the same god.

I've read your replies to me and our opinions are the same on whether or not it is the same god but I call it the same god and you call it different gods. I guess its just a differnce in the way we are using the term. But, the way you are using it would make some of the different denominations of christians as worshiping different gods and I think its obvious that all the christians are worshiping the same god so I think you are wrong.Christians have added information to the Jewish God, that the Jews don't accept, and Muslims have added info to the christian god, that christians don't accept. But in the end, it is all the same god and the diferences between the religions, even if they are contradictions, don't make it a different god, they just make it different ideas about the same god. Its just that you are calling these different ideas different gods and I just don't agree on the way you are using the terms.

Thanks for the link Ifen. I hadn't heard of the lumper/splitter thing before. This is almost exactly what I meant in my last post to Faith. We pretty much have the same opinion on the situation, its just that I'm lumping and she's splitting.

And I like that I'm a person who focuses on underlying principles rather than distinguishing details.

I don't wanna get too far off topic, but I would like to read a reply, lets hope for a lack of moderation.But, for me (and maybe this is because of how I was raised) I think Jesus' teaching hit the nail on the head. In his words, he was more than just a non specific path to god. He was the path to god, not too literally though. Its just that the truth he spoke seems all inclusive and I do think that he was god incarnate. Still though, I do not think that he is the only path. I do not think that opposing religions are destined for hell. I take a more lumper view of the idea, that if you do follow Jesus' teachings then you will get to heaven, but the path is not limited to his teachings. And some of the other religion's teaching look like they are compatible with Jesus' path. The only problem with this that I have is that some of Jesus' teachings seem to go against the 'God as a priciple in the world' view that you have. (and please don't ask for specifics, I don't have the time this weekend to dig them up, just reply assuming that they exist). Its just that some of Jesus' techings get specific enough to limit the 'more intellectual princple of god', and becuase I feel that the truth of his teachings are all inclusive, I have a problem accepting this view. IMHO, some of Jesus' teaching get specific enough to go against this particular view. So at some point in my thinking I start to lose my lumper-ness, if you know what I mean. Its just that some of Jesus' teaching seem to suggest that his divinity was important and simply writing this off, and removing this specific aspect, goes against his teachings, which I'm assuming are all inclusive. On a personal note, he spoke so much truth that I believe it all to be true. While I maintain that my denomenation is real, I concede that mine is the only correct one. In that sense I am still a lumper. But some of your view get specific enough to allow me a splitter's view. Still though, they are respectable and I won't claim that you are incorrect.Am I making sense?