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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The ARGUMENTS are pro-Islam. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The Biblical God certainly didn't start out as a pagan god. Sure it did. Where do you think many of the Jewish ideas of God came from? They are adaptations of earlier religious beliefs. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A bald unsupported assertion as usual, jar.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
The OP states that Allah IS the moon-God. Not just that the title Allah was also used for the moon-God or that some pre-Islamic symbols were incorporated into Islam.
But we really haven't seen any evidence that, for instance, the concept of Allah is as close to the concept of the moon God Sin as the cocnept of Allah is to Christian concepts of God. Yet you reject the latter identity, So to remain consistent, if you wish to support the OP you need far stronger evidence than has been produced so far.t
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
What's pro-Islam about objecting to this particular claim ? T
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I read the OP as talking about the NAME Allah as originally the name of the Moon God.
We will have to ask Buz to clarify.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I can't answer your posts when you don't quote what you are referring to. Sorry, it is YOUR job, not mine, to make it clear what you are talking about.
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CK Member (Idle past 4157 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Great - I'm asking them - you claim the arguments are "pro-islam" - which bits?
it is YOUR job, not mine, to make it clear what you are talking about.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Hi Faith, perhaps you missed my post?
Nobody said Islam still worships the moon god. The OP is about how the name came from the moon god. That's the whole topic. Now they worship some concept of one Creator God using the old pagan name. Are you suggesting that Muslims say "here is no god but Sin"? The name of the moon God, in case you missed it, is Sin.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
No need to ask for more clarity, the OP is clear.
Buz claims that a post where he
... presented my support for the fact that Allah was once a pagan moon god.
was not adequately answered. It seems clear that he is referring to more than the name, as does the article quoted which states.
When Muhammad claimed to have had his vision and revelation from Gabriel he chose al-ilah as the god to build his army around.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Read the Epic of Gilgamesh. Read the histories of earlier religions and how many of the names and titles used to depict the Jewish God came from earlier Canaanite sources.
Judaism is a farly recent religion. They came long after the religions of the Egyptians, the Akkadians, the Babylonians, the early Assyrians and most of the peoples of Canaan. Judaism, like Christianity, has also been a religion which adopted local customs and beliefs and tied them into their religion. But even that has nothing to do with the question of this topic, and as I pointed out in Message 18 and again in Message 27, this thread is simply another example of the ignorance, intolerance and bigotry of many Christians and Christian sites. The very most basic tenet of Islam put LIE to the question asked in the title of this thread; Does Allah = Moon God. There is no GOD but Allah. Allah created the Moon. Those two Facts alone which are basic to Islam prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Allah does NOT = Moon God. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Here is the quote of the message I replied to
The ARGUMENTS are pro-Islam. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
It seems that you are prepared to expect others to do without full explanations. Since I am not so lazy that I can't click back through the links and check we note that you describe everyone arguing against the equation of the Muslim God and the moon-God Sin as "pro-Islam". And it since you used the phrase "pro-Islam crowd" it appears you were talking about people rather than arguments. So why can't you do the same ? Or, since this subthread is about getting you to explain YOUR usage of "pro-Islam" perhaps you could just remember what you were talking about. What is so difficult about that ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The existence of earlier religions with similar names proves no intrinsic connection to the Biblical God. You use the words of the language and culture you live in, though you use them to apply to something new. The Bible comes straight from God's own revelation. In the case of Allah, there actually was a god by that name and it got carried over to Islam. Completely different origin.
Also this post of yours is just another string of assertions and accusations and insults. With a link in case anybody wants to wade through tons of stuff to see if there's anything to it. That's not the proper use of a link. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-30-2006 02:28 PM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I saw your post but all you say is that in your reading you found the moon god called Sin. But others have found the moon god called Allah. I didn't see that you authenticated the name Sin or tried to find out if there are other names or why that one and not Allah.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I click back when I am the one making a point. You cannot require your respondents to do the work that is YOUR job to do.
And I still have no idea what you are talking about. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-30-2006 02:26 PM
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