Does Allah = Moon God?

yes and no. allah is no more a moon god than el is a wind god, or christ is a sun-god. (oh hey, i never even brought up mithras and christ...)but they all have origins in those things. christians deny the connection for the same reasons muslims do: it looks damned suspicious. "what do you mean our religion is based on something else?" like it's a work of fiction. this does, of course, seem like your entire point: to prove that islam is not a legitimate faith.if that IS your idea, and i'm not just reading you wrong, you have to realize that the same sets of claims and the same logic is just as valid with your faith. you can't say "their faith is false because it's based on earlier polytheism" when yours is too. that would be the pot calling the kettle black. i thought we already had a thread on this? linguistically, allah and elowah seem to be cognates. i've posted this before. i'm not saying they're the same god, but if you're going to make a linguistic origins argument, beware that judeo-christian faith will suffer along with it. oh don't be silly. is the god of genesis the god of exodus? clearly they cannot be -- the god of genesis wrestles people in the desert, but the god of exodus kills people who accidently get too close. one cannot point to contradictions as if they are valid when they waive off the contradictions in their own texts. and linguistic.

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What actual facts do you put forth as being germane to this topic?lfen

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Only to someone who doesn't care about actual facts my beliefs.

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fixed.i think some people lose sight of the difference. there is nothing in the facts or history to say that islam is wrong, and judaism is wrong, but christianity is right. if there was, the choice to have faith in one would be meaningless.

I gave facts galore in defense of this point. But obviously nobody here knows what a fact is.

Germane to this off topic topic? I think the last thread gave plenty of facts that demonstrate that the differences between Islam and Christianity and Judaism amount to a total wipeout mutual contradiction. FACTS. I left it open so you can pick the one you think is the truth, but the facts make it clear that they can't all be about the same God. That has been proved although there seems to be some problem with people's grasping the point. FACTS, nothing but FACTS.

maybe because your definition of fact is not remotely the same as everyone elses?
your "factS" are not really facts at all, they are conjecture and opinion

My post was addressed to Modulous in case you hadn't noticed that.Yes indeed I deny any origin of Biblical religion in polytheism. From beginning to end it was THE answer to heathen idolatries given by the one true God Himself.I don't think you've read much of this thread Arach, judging from topics you are bringing up that I've already commented on, such as the etymological connection between allah and el. Not that it matters really, except that I'm too tired to repeat myself with every new post just in case somebody just joined the thread.Yes the God of Genesis is the God of Exodus. Of course. You are not talking about contradictions, but facets of God's character in different contexts. I showed direct contradictions. Proved beyond a doubt that the two are not the same God. Yes proved.

they are not facts they scripture differences, those are beliefs not facts. do we have to consult mister dictionary for what a fact is?
the belief that if you don't believe what i do means that yours is wrong, is still belief not a fact the scripture, is the work of man, god doesn't change his nature, nor does a book limit god, so he could have done anything he wanted to

Well, when it comes to religion many of the facts are not always forthcoming. Then there are the interpretation of facts.No religion is sufficiently evidenced to be provable. None have been proved and some of their claims have been disproved.What religions have are traditions and the momentum of culture. I have a passing interest in comparative religion in order to understand human psychology, culture, and society.Since we have no data on God and no one has put forth the criteria to decide if two accounts of God constitute the account of a one or two Gods it's hard to know how the facts prove anything.Example: Are leprachauns and brownies accounts of the same little people or different little people?The near east had many Gods and the religions were mutually influencing one another. At this distance it's almost impossible to ever sort this out. We know a lot more about Joseph Smith and he specifically said he was writing about Jesus and the God of the OT. The Koran says it's about the same God as the God of Abraham. I'll take both religions words on it. That doesn't mean they got it right but it does mean they were thinking about the same thing.We've still not heard from Buz but it seems to me that it's been shown that Allah does not equal the Moon God but quite likely elements of the Moon God influenced some of the choices, just as elements of earlier religions influenced Judaism. It's the way religion, language, and human culture work.lfen

Why is this so hard for you all to grasp? I've answered this dozens of times and you keep saying the exact same totally irrelevant thing.God can't be limited by anything, that's obvious. That says nothing about this. The point is that the scriptures say different things ABOUT HIM, and in that case the people who are following those different scriptures are worshipping different concepts of God, which is the same thing as worshipping different Gods because there is NO OTHER WAY TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GOD.So if, say, some religion comes along and describes the one true omniscient omnipotent God as a talking green turnip in the sky who communicated with a Bushman and chose Bushmen to be his own people, the ONLY information you have that that MIGHT be a false view of God is the OTHER RELIGIONS. And they ALL contradict each other. Maybe God IS this turnip. The point is he can't be that AND the God of Judaism whose God is not a turnip and has no Son, AND the God of Christianity whose God is not a turnip but which is all about God's Son, AND the God of Islam whose God is not a turnip and has no son and denies that Isaac was God's chosen. IT CANNOT BE. It is not a matter of belief but a matter of FACT, a matter of straightforward LOGICAL CONTRADICTION.Good grief. I need a break.LET'S GET BACK TO THE MOON GOD.

THE FACTS THAT WE DO HAVE ARE SUFFICIENT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE MAJOR RELIGIONS HAVE DIFFERENT GODS. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE FACTS TO DEMONSTRATE THIS POINT. AND DIFFERENCES IN INTERPRETATION HAVE NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH THIS POINT.Sorry for shouting. I'm starting to lose it with this weird inability of everybody to get this SIMPLE LOGICAL POINT.Sheesh.

The confusion comes about because all that religions have is discriptions of their concept of God.In the case of polygamy we could establish that some women have the same man for a husband whereas other women have different men as their husband. But we can't see the Gods of different religions to establish whether they are the same or different. All we have is their discriptions.But in the case of religion we have not established what it means for two religions to have the same God. Do Jews and Christians have the same God? And whether the answer is yes or no would all Jews and Christians agree?lfen

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Thank youThis message has been edited by AdminPD, 05-01-2006 07:33 AM

Hi Faith. May God bless you richly for the work you do here for truth. Thanks much for doing so much in my absence. I was not able to get to the computer today and WOW! There's no way I'll catch up as all four pages have poped up in one day. I'll have to pick and choose what to respond to. I've read up to this message to Modulous and it strikes me as needing the first response. This is correct as I understand your link as well as the other earlier links of mine and the new person whose name ends in 43. I forgot the rest of it at the moment. It appears that the moon god Sin evolved into Allah and Mohammed transformed/emerged that moon god into Allah with the intent of essentially eliminating the Biblical god, Jehovah along with all the gods of Mecca and transforming the name Allah into the proper name for the supreme god. Mohammed's big problem was how to eliminate the Christian god, Jehovah. He simply transformed his moon god into what Jehovah was to Christians, i.e. the supreme god and outlawed all the rest, including Jehovah. Elohim in the Bible is simply a generic term which means "god" and is not a proper name as is Jehovah. Thus the terms, "the god/elohim, Jehovah," or "false gods/elohims." On the other hand I believe it is a huge deal. Why? The only way Allah has come to stand for the one creator god is that Mohammed skillfully transformed his moon god, Allah into his substitute for Jehovah so as to eliminate the Biblical God, Jehovah. You go into any fundy Islamic nation and preach Jehovah, you likely will loose your head real soon like.

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Hi Mod. I'm afraid you've got it bass akwards. Allah, evolved/derived from the moon god Sin and Mohammed skillfully and by the sword, made his spiffed up moon god into the chief rival of Jehovah, the Biblical god. Thus no Bibles allowed in many fundy Islamic nations and no public preaching of Jesus or Jehovah, the Biblical god and son - simple as that.

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