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Forgive me for only responding to one part of your post, I'm trying not to get all wrapped up in this site like I was. However I would like to respond to this statement. In a way you are correct here, in that it is impossible to "prove" to others that Christianity is the true faith.However as a believer the validity of my faith is proven to me personally, every day by the Holy Spirit, and his impact on my life. Every day the Lord reveals his love and power to me in a personal way.------------------
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"If" the universe was created by God, man was placed on a fully completed earth. Science is the discovering of how the earth/universe/life/ect, works. So the fact that science can explain how a great many things work does not eliminate the possibility that God created these things. Science is then discovering God's creation and the details and wonders of it. Not a deity of it's own.------------------
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I didn't think I was damning you, not sure where you got that one from.I thought we got over the prove it thing, as no-one has been able to prove God exists, and no-one has been able to prove the opposite. My experience and reasoning capabilities have lead me to believe that God exists.------------------
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Ephesians 5:21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[2] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-- 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[3] 32This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.Verse 21 says submit one to another. The rest goes on and would answer your question "But what does "men acting accountably" and "women acting accountably" actually mean?"------------------
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Yes the word submit seems to cause quite a few people difficulty.Ephesians 5:33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.------------------
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Ephesians 5:21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.We also live by biblical guidlines in our marriage. Submitting one to another out of reverence for Christ.I am the head of our household, but I am not some dictator making all the decisions without consulting my wife. She is not inferior to me in any way.However, in the case that we cannot agree on the proper course of action to take, my wife will trust my decision.------------------
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schraf, I can definately see why this topic on Christian marriages makes no sense to you.Please take this in to mind (if you haven't already), my wife is trusting that I am submitting to God. Trusting that I am trying to listen to the Holy Spirit and follow God's guidance on our lives. So she is ultimately submitting to God. Which is a heavy thought to me as a husband, as I am now accountable to God to make the right decisions for us.In your case however, if you are submitting, it is submission to a man's will. Which I don't like the sound of either.So in the context of a Christian marriage, I don't see a problem with the scripture pertaining to submission in a marriage. It is not a heiarchy (sp?) of the sexes.------------------
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You looked further into my post than you should have. In doing so drew faulty conclusions and missed the point.Did I say God doesn't communicate with my wife? No I didn't.In the event that my wife and I cannot agree on a decision, yes the decision falls on my shoulders.A point at which I must be very careful, and spend more time in prayer, in case God is trying to speak to me through my wife.If my wife is so opposed to a decision there must be a reason, right?Here's the proper heiarchy,God
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Schraf it has nothing to do with God talking more, or more clearly to me than my wife, (it is quite the opposite sometimes). It has more to do with the fact that God created man and woman, he created them differently, and he knows how they both work.He created a way for a family to run, knowing the attributes of both halves of his creation.I happen to know God's way works, I've seen it work, it's working for us in our marriage.All I can say Schraf is that it's not the dictatorship you see it as. Right now I'm at a loss to explain my p.o.v much more. I'll ask my wife if she's interested in joining this discussion, maybe she'd be more able to present the case for biblical marriage than I can.------------------
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As to the statistics you cited Schraf, I'm kind of thinking that this high divorce rate is due to the abuse of this doctine.Unfortunately this is a doctrine that gets abused by controlling men, who's only purpose in citing this doctrine is to scare their families into submission.I have run into a few people in my life time who have grown up in families where some sorry excuse for a man has abused this doctrine in attempt to control their spouse.This does not make this doctrine wrong.It's like saying hate is wrong. Hate is not wrong. Where you direct that hate can be wrong. If you hate the people who were involved in the 9/11 attacks that is wrong. If you hate what they did but not the people, that's alright, God hates sin.So just because this doctrine is applied in a wrong way, does not make it a wrong doctrine.Curious just where these statistics were taken. (area data was collected)------------------
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This thread is long off topic and out of control.------------------
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