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Gzus
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Message 4 of 127 (29080)
01-14-2003 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tranquility Base
01-13-2003 7:41 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
[B]Faith is a response to God as revealed to us daily through human messengers. [Quote] this is impossible to prove or disprove and therefore neither supports nor refutes your belief.
[Quote] [b]
The scope of the Bible vastly out-does that of any other religious book. [Quote] is the best religion necessarily that which has the biggest/most elaborate book? How can you judge religion seeing as it is dogma?
[Quote] Creation, the flood, languages, races, the revelation of God, salvation and the future are all accounted for. [Quote] 'accounted for', i.e. you have a severely distorted, pseudo-scientific and yet irrefutable interpretation of empirical evidence that just happens to fit in with your religion.
[Quote] Thematic consistency and of historical events across 2000 years is wihtout comparison. Archeoogical eveidence is staggering:
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Does this prove that the prophets were divinely inspired? no, it just means that they read a couple of history books/scrolls or maybe they were lucky. Again, you can prove nothing
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"Without initially starting out to discover the historical Bible, I have come to the conclusion that much of the Old Testament contains real history." David Rohl, who is an agnostic archeologist.
[Quote] So, what makes it any better than a history book, what's so 'divine' about that?
So, basically, instead of punishing us directly, he creates lucifer to do it for him, Adam messes up and after that God just leaves us in the lurch right? Oh, but wait, he leaves us one escape route that is 'folly to the wise' hidden amongst a plethary of other similar but 'incorrect' escape routes (although we have no way of telling which is right) and in order to reach it, we have to blind ourselves to reason and hope that we 'leap' in the right direction!
[Quote] Christianity works becasue the cross turns apparent weakness into strength. The cross was not a plan B but it is the way the Godhead lives and interacts:
The lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. Rev 13:8
[Quote] All of your arguments presuppose the validity of the bible which without God is just another collection of atoms arranged in a rather ordinary fashion. If you cannot prove that the God of your religion is 'true' i.e. irrefutable by any skeptical argument imaginable, then you have no grounds for claiming that your religion is more 'true' than others and there is therefore no grounds for damnation.
The fact is, you can disagree about religion but dispute is unjustified. Basically, you can believe anything you want just as long as you don't argue about it!

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Gzus
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Message 19 of 127 (29576)
01-19-2003 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by funkmasterfreaky
01-14-2003 1:07 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
as a believer the validity of my faith is proven to me personally, every day by the Holy Spirit

Even so, prove it! As far as I know, the holy spirit is just another myth. Without solid proof, i am under no obligation to even think about it and therefore not eligible for damnation

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