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What Does the Second Coming Entail?

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 109 of 238 (318743)
06-07-2006 12:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 107 by iano
06-07-2006 12:13 PM

Re: Flip Flop
It can be one or the other. You presuppose one - and one which paints you in the best..er..light. Surprise, surprise!
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The bible has some value and some interesting parts... but it also has sections that were quite clearly written by ignorant primitives who didn't have a clue what they were talking about.
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It's in fact OBVIOUS that parts of the bible are just mangled old myth... even to many christians.
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Many parts of the bible were written by people who just weren't as informed or educated as many are now (which is not a slam on them, i'm sure they knew a lot considering the state of education and knowledge in primitive times).
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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 121 of 238 (318873)
06-07-2006 6:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 112 by iano
06-07-2006 1:09 PM

Re: Am God (dogma in reverse)
You mean his dogma that the bible isn't the word of God isn't a dogma?
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No no no no no no.....
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YOU are making a positive claim. I am not.
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The burden of proof is on you
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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 124 of 238 (318880)
06-07-2006 6:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 119 by Phat
06-07-2006 5:49 PM

Re: Flip Flop
It is debateable as to whether an uneducated goat herder is able to connect with a living God. If we are atheists, of course the source of our contentions will be human education and knowledge.
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If we are believers, however, education and knowledge do not wipe God away...they just allow us to consider the implications of God upon humanity in this enlightened age that we now live in.
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Phat, even though I am an atheist I never meant to imply that the bible proves god doesn't exist. Sorry if you read it that way.
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The flaws of the bible mean only that a literal interpretation is wrong and silly.
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As Jar would say, the map is not the territory.
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And you right, we are off-topic (no thanks to me )
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Message 128 of 238 (318888)
06-07-2006 6:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 122 by iano
06-07-2006 6:29 PM

Re: Mayday, Mayday
Is this your parachute?
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I am making no claim about the bible other than it was a book written a long time ago and that some parts are obviously mythical.
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That's it.
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I'm not saying anything about whether it was inspired by zeus, odin, yahweh, etc. or not
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Message 131 of 238 (318910)
06-07-2006 8:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 130 by iano
06-07-2006 8:16 PM

Re: I rest my case.
Don't know about that. But whatever about the NT writers making the facts fit the OT story it would be a bit difficult for the OT Psalmist to make up the NT times crucifixion - seeing as folk in OT times hadn't invented that form of execution yet.
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Let's stop this now...... or do we have to bring up the many unresolvable discrepancies between the OT and NT?
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